At least according the US Government.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...ical-use-.html

Maybe the 4th time will be the charm?

seems like a BS study, iv used it to settle my stomach while going threw chemo, and it worked better than any other drug considering the rest of them had some side effects that were a bitch to deal with.

and the whole area about it not being safe, well seriously, it is impossible to OD even if you were trying, and has not addictive.

sure you shouldn't be driving or anything like than when baked out of your tree, but there are tons of legal drugs that are the same.


but than again i don't care too much about the study living in Canada, in a province that really doesn't give a shit about this law.

Meh I smoked once for shits and giggles, the low productivity was not my style and I never did it again. If im not at home doing art im mad.

Honestly, if they're sick, let them smoke. It did make me very tired though, and thats the only use I saw.


Actually passerby, you can OD, it takes 15 thousand pounds (you're metric though) of THC to kill someone. Thats impossible to consume at once though

edit* screw it

Indicas:
slow you down, relax you and aid in sleep. no paranoia

Sativas:
make you feel energetic, but can have effects paranioa

my point frell you would fall asleep long before ever getting close the amount needed, little line never being able to afford it in the first place, or finding a way to burn or vaporize that much of it, or considering how fast it greens, have a large enough lung compacty to take in enough to be harmfull.

it is actually a very very weak drug when put beside alcohol.

I suggest if you want Marijuana to pass, you also have to accept it's faults, and learn about that them before a discussion.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-pro-ma...arent-helping/

ya thats why where i live i really don't care if it gets legalized or not, the status quo seems to work. unless you do something really stupid cops wont bother you.

but that is more of a per province, per city thing, dont think that would quite fly in some other city's

"You could pass a law that lets 12 year olds carry concealed guns to school and it'd kill fewer people than drunk driving."

great article ace, i've only done it once and don't care to again, so im probably fine, but its a fun read.

"and should remain classified as a dangerous drug like heroin"

Ahohohohho Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

I know not whether it has any medical uses other than alleviating pain, but heroin? We're talking about heroin.

So this has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that pharma has a monopoly on drugs in the US for 12 more years and that corps make some 20 billion that we know of on enforcing drug laws.

Get the fuck outta here. : /

heroine

:p

HUR-ON

Originally Posted by Ace-Angel

I suggest if you want Marijuana to pass, you also have to accept it's faults, and learn about that them before a discussion.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-pro-ma...arent-helping/

Those aren't faults, just mostly poor arguments.

The reason it's hard to conceive of a pro-marijuana argument is because the only real, and in an ideal world, necessary argument is that there is no reason for it to be illegal in the first place.

I wouldn't use Cracked to make any point ever, either:

"You don't hear people at AA meetings sit around and reflect on how awesome it is that they have the freedom to drink."

C'mon guys, I thought you peeps were smarter than that, only one of you guys got it. It's Cracked article, everything they say needs to be taken with a truckload of salt, but that doesn't mean you cannot use what they're talking about as a footnote to get your research done for real stuff from other sources.

I know Marijuana is used for Chemo in many places, but did you know after a while the effects wear off the person can be in greater pain then before? Or if they build a tolerance quickly enough, than it's a moot thing? Yet many people harp like it will cure cancer or kill all the pain? I would know this since one of my family members went through this.

Mein point eis simple: Stop making Marijuana into the Harbinger of Death or the Second Coming of the Messiah, it's simply a plant which has mediocre benefits at best and misuse by individuals at worst. It doesn't affect me personally, but it sure would be nice for both sides to admit that's it's nothing special.

On the other hand, Green Tea...that bitch kills if you don't have the raised pinky.

A decent grain.

Some of their articles, despite how humorous, are frighteningly true.

We're kinda fucked, guys.

Dyncorp, on about killing civilians and raping kids(same company involved in drug laws). Surprise surprise.

Feds also still allow tobacco & obesity to go unchecked. Yet both kill many more than smoking a plant classified as a weed. Makes a lot of sense... It's always about the money, the rest is b.s. States rights my ass...

In their defense, you need to correlate the ratio of the deaths to the people who are actually using it. Granted, I would think that a fresh unprocessed marijuana would be safer than a tobacco, but like everything, moderation is the key.

EDIT: Now that I think that, if it does induce people to become addicted, well that is a problem.

My girlfriend finished writing her dissertation on this about 2 months ago and she basicly ended up arguing that although she will never use Canabis and doesn't condone its casual use that it should be legalised in order to make it far safer for those that do and will always use it no matter how much the government doesn't want them to.

I guess eventually they might decide that people are too clever and creative to stop if they really want to do something and atleast if they did legalise it, control it and clean it up they could tax the crap out of it :P

Weed is about as dangerous as alcohol, with the exact same trappings if it is abused. The Feds are taking this stance because they have been paid to, because the big pharm corps don't want sobby sally to stop taking her pills

Originally Posted by low odor

Weed is about as dangerous as alcohol, with the exact same trappings if it is abused. The Feds are taking this stance because they have been paid to, because the big pharm corps don't want sobby sally to stop taking her pills

I wouldn't go so far as to say it's as dangerous as alcohol Long-term_effects_of_alcohol however it is easily abusable and does have some quite severe long term side effects.

I'm not sure about your second point though, I do partially agree and yes it's nice to think in a world of evil big pharma and the good little guy but I think the primary reason is old people and right wingers, the sort of people who defeat it in referendums and always vote. While you might find it a little difficult to find a large group of people who oppose marijuana legalization on an artist forum in the real world things are different. http://youtu.be/XbVhbQPblNY?t=3m3s that might be relavant

Personally I'm for legalising it, Don't see why not if your gunna leave alcohol and cigs legal.

There are plenty of states where the People have made Medicinal Chronic legal..but the feds refuse to recognize it...and excuse my tinfoil hat, but it comes down to money. You could draw a line to companies that are suppressing legalization because it would cut into their own markets

edit: [tinfoil] Lamar Smith..the Rep that shot Down Barney Frank's legalization bill recived 48,000 from big Pharm, 30,3000 from Alchohol [\tinfoil]

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicia...ype=I&newmem=N

I don't care about its medicinal uses, just re-industrialize it. Especially the no THC varieties, its stupid to keep up the prohibition on plants that can't get people high but have thousands of uses.

We can grow enough paper in a season instead of cutting down 200 year old forests that aren't easily replaced.

Quite a few varieties of plastic can be made from it, yea we can make plastic without fossil oil.

You can use the oil for bio fuel which has a higher yield and easier processing time than corn and other bio fuels, it also grows faster.

You can use it in building materials, everything from concrete to particle board.

On a medical level I view it like alcohol, legalize it, tax it and regulate it. Don't drive drunk, or high. There end of story. It's the 200 year old law makers with 3 marbles rolling around in their skull that are afraid of the campaign smear ads that are too scared to do anything about it. They're too busy trying to pass legislation that makes it OK for corporations to donate unlimited funds to THEIR attack ads. You can't vote em out... you just have to wait them out...

Originally Posted by low odor

Weed is about as dangerous as alcohol, with the exact same trappings if it is abused.

Wahahahahah. Yeah. That's why we ever hear stories of people developing anything analogous to kidney stones, or cancer, or causing retardation in children. Or at the very least, causing spectacular car accidents that killed them, their family, or friends. Somebody, find me some non-hyper right leaning news outlet that reports deaths as a direct result of taking pot.

Goooood luck.

Originally Posted by Mathew O

she basicly ended up arguing that although she will never use Canabis and doesn't condone its casual use that it should be legalised in order to make it far safer for those that do and will always use it

The only thing non-safe about it, is that you can be abused and thrown into prison. Life in jail for being caught with marijuana 4 times. And since there's such overcrowding in jails(as a result of stupid laws), it may happen that he ends up in a private jail, where forced labor is rampant, and abuses can be worse.

Life. The rest of his life sitting in a little cage probably because some ultra rich company that's owned by some even more ridiculously rich company, lobbied our government to make laws on everything tougher.

[tinfoil] : \ Right. An endemic problem with our system is that you have to add a "crazy" disclaimer to point out something that's clearly true.

You know, I knew someone who was a loser after smoking pot. Guess what? He was a loser since he was a kid, way before he knew what pot was. I was also friends with a pretty well off engineer in Arizona was always stoned, always got good grades, and drove like a pro(on the other hand, I never drove in his car, and kinda suggested he's an ass for driving stoned, considering the lack of research regarding that activity)

Some plant that makes you giddy, and a bit hungry isn't going to destroy your life, or give you "reefer madness." If you're willing to let your whole life go because a friggin' happy plant, its liable that anything could have destroyed you in the first place.

Since this thread is open I would like to suggest this book:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emp...ars_No_Clothes

Free read:

http://www.jackherer.com/thebook/

I highly doubt it has any medical use... considering there are a lot of better studied alternatives, with better known side effects and more controlled production.

Anyway, I always feel that this "legalize Marijuana for medical use" actions to be a big bullshit as I bet 99% of supporters just want it to have some fun (which I don't have any problem with by the way..) but just don't use the "medical" uses as an argument for that. Cocaine also has medical uses...

I think your reasoning is bullshit.

It's not about whether or not it has medical use. It's about money.

Originally Posted by Vitor

Cocaine--

Oxycontin.