http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20100724...h-ca02f96.html

What's up with this, guys?

It barley relates to me but it sounds pretty darn serious.

Feel free to have a discussion.

Er, if it violates any Forum rules I take full responsibility and you can take it down xD

You know. I have no idea about any of this so i should just shut up...

But haven't the world been staring intently at north korea for a bunch of years now? I think america especially wants to put them down. At least india and th eother asian countries does

I dunno. I just know that kim jong scares me. He reminds me of a small terrier wanting to fight everything and bark at everyone so we think he's big and menacing... except this terrier has nukes.

Two options
Do nothing
or We all band together and PWN North Korea.
I bet they have spies on Polycount...I shouldn't have said that.
I'm looking at Belias. =]

Seriously tho, I'm pretty much clueless about all this aswell. I just sounded very important :/ Polycount is the wrong place to put it.

Well, that depends. Is this a topic of reasonable discussion? I think it is. Most forums ban political talk - but I never understood why. Besides, this isn't a conversation about red vs blue. This is a geo-political topic that could affect us all.

I am of the opinion that North Korea will eventually do something. It could be in a few days, or next year. If you do a Google search on nuclear brinksmanship, most of the results are from April of last year - not long after setting off their second nuke. Since then they have sunk a ship full of South Korean sailors and officially ended the cease-fire and now they're threatening nuclear war again.

I read an interesting article the other day about how desperatly Castro wanted to bomb New York with Russian missiles back in 1962. Thankfully, the Russians were reasonable even at the hight of the cold war, and turned their ships around.

Super powers like us tend to want to remain super powers. We have a lot to lose. The North Koreans, like the radical communist Cubans, have nothing to lose. They are ideologues, and will wage nuclear war just to kill some of us even it it means their total annihilation.

lol don't feed the troll ( you know what i mean )

Here comes a Cliché but...WHY?

Seriously. I've never taken History, Modern Studies or anything like that so I don't know but come on. Killing off so many innocent people over ...oil?

xvampire- I'm a bit tired so I don't know what you mean. Are you implying that I'm a troll? XD

If not, then that's fine =]

well, the official reading is that the north koreans just published that they'd be ready for "a sacred war" in case the US and SK attack them. The latter two are currently doing manouvers in the yellow and the japanese sea. It's the only legitimate way they can provoke the NKs at the moment.

While I must state that I'm against any war at all, it might just be for better if this solves now and "forever" in a big bang. NKs population seems to be starving (though through lack of education and possibilities don't revolt) so it might just be better for them in the longterm if this comes to an "ending with shock, rather than a shock with no ending".

The headline to that story is misleading to the point of being plain false.

Originally Posted by Taylor Hood

Two options
Do nothing
or We all band together and PWN North Korea.
I bet they have spies on Polycount...I shouldn't have said that.
I'm looking at Belias. =]

Seriously tho, I'm pretty much clueless about all this aswell. I just sounded very important :/ Polycount is the wrong place to put it.

You shouldn't care about spies.

I read that if we do nothing, the North Korean strategy is to use nuclear weapons as a threat to force reunification with South Korea. We all know they aren't afraid of waving that figurative nuclear gun around, so I believe it. I also believe that would start another major war in which the U.S. is involved, also the South Koreans are free people like us - they won't bow down to Kim so easily. They aren't brainwashed slaves like their kin to the north. I think not only will we fight the North Koreans to protect the South - but that even an uninterrupted Reunification would introduce instability in the North Korean government - so they are playing a losing strategy.

We know from history that rampant ideology (of any sort) is the downfall of any government. In North Korea's case, it supercharges the military strength of the country while at the same time causing them to behave in ways that arn't benificial to their own continued existance.

North Koreans are brinks-men of the highest sort, and the rest of the world is about to learn what happens when a country constantly threatens nuclear war. Other nations at first are scared, so they try to appease. Then they realize just how they've been played and they say - "No more words. Either come to the table on our terms or not. If you want war, we're ready" This is what SK and the US are saying with these off-shore military exercises.

The time for talk is over for NK. They must either put up, or shut up. I believe they will go ahead and do it this time. Better they try to launch a war against us now, than when they are fully ready.

Originally Posted by e-freak

well, the official reading is that the north koreans just published that they'd be ready for "a sacred war" in case the US and SK attack them. The latter two are currently doing manouvers in the yellow and the japanese sea. It's the only legitimate way they can provoke the NKs at the moment.

While I must state that I'm against any war at all, it might just be for better if this solves now and "forever" in a big bang. NKs population seems to be starving (though through lack of education and possibilities don't revolt) so it might just be better for them in the longterm if this comes to an "ending with shock, rather than a shock with no ending".

I agree completely. We might as well end it now, legitimately, than wait for them to start the war on their terms.

What about the UK -.- We'll probably step in somewhere.

I'd probably agree with you guys... in a couple of years time.
No way in hell I'm dieing for power hungery morons.

The spy thing was a joke by the way =]

I hope its not because of the Portugal game.

Originally Posted by Taylor Hood

What about the UK -.- We'll probably step in somewhere.

I'd probably agree with you guys...if I was the same age as you.
No way in hell I'm dieing for greedy assholes :/

The spy thing was a joke by the way =]

You're not going to die Taylor. NK has limited nuclear capabilities. Their missiles aren't very reliable either. In fact, the only thing I'd be worried about is a draft - and depending on your personality, you can decide not to go if you're willing to sit in a prison cell.

I have a disability that will prevent me from being a soldier. (GSD) But if a real war does break out, I would try to contribute in some way. This is the last true cold war enemy - the last threat to the rest of the world. Everyone else either mellowed out or collapsed. NK's time is coming.

Originally Posted by Target_Renegade

I hope its not because of the Portugal game.

Ha!

Here are some good reads - enjoy
http://atimes.com/atimes/Korea/KF11Dg02.html
http://bigpeace.com/hfontova/2010/07...s-nuclear-war/

Final edit - for humor

North Korea is to China
what
Israel is to the U.S.

Food for thought. We all need our rabid attack dogs...

You sure do empower a reader in your writing Trancerbot.=]

To be honest, this is one of the reasons I wish we all lived in medieval times. Maybe it's the fantasy nerd in me but I'd fight for honor and courage and my nation if a war in those times were to happen.

Originally Posted by Taylor Hood

Here comes a Cliché but...WHY?

Seriously. I've never taken History, Modern Studies or anything like that so I don't know but come on. Killing off so many innocent people over ...oil?

xvampire- I'm a bit tired so I don't know what you mean. Are you implying that I'm a troll? XD

If not, then that's fine =]

It isn't about Oil, check out the wiki entry on the Korean War

There's been rumors about Kim Jong Il's health I wonder if all the sabre rattling is to prove he's still the big man.

Yeah. I should brush up on what all of this means before running my mouth.
Thanks for the link, Justin.

Toss in a paranoid leader with short mans disease, a messiah complex, and who is near deaths door and you get one twitchy buggy country on lock down. I wouldn't be too worried, they blow hot wind all the time and I'm pretty sure this is just more posturing.


Technically the two sides are still at war, just no one has been shooting until recently and even that is disputed.

This recent round of BS started when South Korea's ship did one of three things. Ran aground, hit a really old mine or was sunk by a North Korean torpedo. Since neither of the first two paint them in a good light and the third is a stick in the eye to the north they went with it. As a response they planned "Naval games with the US" as a show of force.

The north isn't fond of being accused of something they claim they didn't do and they don't like people pointing out how tiny their military slong is, so they fly off the handle. Actually their army is pretty serious business but with the shape of their nation it would be impossible to sustain it during a protracted war... like the kind the US is fond of putting on every few decades.

It's kind of funny, Americas inability to win a war might actually be a bonus if they ever do crack open the Korean war again.

What interests me the most is what would happen to North Korean citizens IF a war breaks out and its old regime is destroyed (it doesn't seem like they have a chance of winning a long term conflict). Both China and South Korea would face a massive influx of immigrants; immigrants who were taught to believe in values radically different from their neighbours'.

Would these people be able to find themselves in a new reality? How would they interact with South Koreans they were told to despise? Or would they leave the peninsula and move further west?


Also, what would happen to the country itself? Obviously, it’s in west’s best interest to create a unified Korea, but would China allow having its "shield" taken back? Perhaps partitioning the country would please Chinese government enough to make them stop their oil exports (that alone would finish North Korea in a matter of months, if not weeks); but would that be even ethic, when we know that NK refugees are often turned into slaves, or forced into prostitution?


Of course, it's just me wildly speculating; there's a high probability that nothing will happen.



@Justin:

You could say that he's feeling il

You could say that he's feeling il

That was made of pure win.
=]

I wouldnt pay too much attention to the article.

Visited South Korea once, beautiful place with horrible yet addictive pop music. Met someone who ran away from North Korea..the stories he told me weren't good to hear.

North Korea seem to be like the Trolls of the real world.
Maybe thats not the best example but they sure aren't doing anything good for themselves.
=/

You Tube

couple of good docus to watch. I've always had this strange fascination with NK

You Tube

- Friends Of Kim,

Half the population are living off international aid while the other 48% eat boiled mud and sticks, which is pretty disturbing.

Let's all go to NK and have a polycount meetup. I'm sure that'll be greeaaat fun.

I'm watching the 53 minute video. So interestingly disturbing :/
How can they live in such restriciton.

War is so overrated. Don't worry, be happy. ffs

I can't believe some comments that I read in here, I mean, really? Should we just attack them because of their own choices?
Afaik, NK's are just afraid of being attacked, like Iraq did. So, they're preparing for war, and a possible invasion by the so called "imperialists".

The hell with the NK's. they want to survive by their own, go ahead, starve to death, see if I care. Why the fuck should we attack them?
Do you attack random tramps in the street? even if they own a gun?