Freddy's Fried Chicken - Small scene

System · Jan 2009

This is a portfolio job, some of the objects for this I'm hoping to display individually, not sure whether it will be animated or not yet.
It's supposed to be set in Texas, a grimy chicken shack with fat Freddy holding a skinned chicken in one hand and a cleaver in the other

At this time I want to get everything done with the scene leaving the chickens and the main character till last, some may say it is better to build the scene around the character and others may say the scene first then the character.

Pope Adam · Jan 2009

hey GCMP. the work so far is pretty clean, I think you need to dirty it up a bit. Not just on the texturing, I think the modeling could use a little love. Not that the modeling isn't good here, it's just kindof boring. Maybe take some of those horizontal lines and skew them a bit to add some character? like that image you have in the middle with the truck in the foreground and the crooked building in the background.

Are you going for a stucco material on the walls of this house? If so, I would recommend putting some more of those lumber pieces (like the ones you have supporting the pointed rooftop) along the corners of the house to unify the style a bit more. This building has a strange variation of different materials all married together - give them a bit more cohesiveness and harmony by grunge-ing them similarly. I think it will help sell it more.

I like the truck in the middle photo the best, with the shitty chippy paint. I also like the overgrown grass around it. these kinds of details will help your scene immensely.

Cheers sir!

System · Jan 2009

Thanks Adam

On with modelling the truck right now.

System · Jan 2009

updated

oobersli · Jan 2009

STOP and evaluate your building. I live in texas and I've never seen a building that looks like that.

Get some reference or a concept for the building. Looooks like ur building from imagination. I could just be on the wrong side of the tracks and we could have a whole neighborhood filled with those type of buildings...

I'd say do something more like this.

http://carpedurham.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/food-019.jpg

System · Jan 2009

oobersli : Looks like a nice reference but it's too clean and neat for what I'm aiming for here.

pangarang · Jan 2009

Diggin the truck - the design looks very similar to the one they used in Final Fantasy VII. Not a critique, just an observation </crazyFFfanboytalk>.

I like the texture work, but not the ground - then again if it's temporary, I guess that can slide. The pillars of the building though, those giant concrete slabs on the corners of the building seem a little out of proportion. The're almost too big and thick to be supporting such a tiny roof. Do you have any reference for the architecture? I'm just wondering if designs like that exist. Another note about the pillars, when compared to how nicely detailed the wood veranda is, and the roof, the pillars look kinda flat and blah.

Then there's the building as a whole ... at first glance, it's pretty nice. Textures help sell it. Then as I look at the design as a whole its like, hold on something's not quite right. I'm no architect so I can't pinpoint what's wrong exactly. But I really suggest looking at reference more closely.

Mark Dygert · Jan 2009

Off to a good start, the truck is taking shape

I think things are a bit too straight, a few cuts and some FFD and you could fix that.

System · Jan 2009

Thanks pangarang and Vig

System · Jan 2009

*updated

System · Feb 2009

Made quite a few alterations to the high and low mesh as well as the unwrap which will be a 1024x512. @8653 tris for low poly (chain at back took quite a few up, tried opacity planes but they looked crappy) Calling high done unless someone would like to offer crits before any baking takes place.

*updated

System · May 2009

Been a while since working on this but haven't given up yet:)

* Images updated

Diffuse in progress, trying to take it one thing at a time instead of rushing.

vj_box · May 2009

looks cool GCMP,its completely desaturated though at the moment.So you gonna get a TF2 style on this one? You remember the TF2 truck which you also see in the 2Fort map?. I guess that will be cool. A lot of good flat colors with subtle rust painted and a cool phong shading to crank it all.

Vj

System · May 2009

Thanks man

Not too far off completion now and it will be rusty!
Just made a decal for the doors of the truck...

dolemite · May 2009

Images are missing

Truck looks pretty cool. Is that some kind of weird artifact on the rear fender? It almost looks like it's clipping the viewport.

System · May 2009

Thanks dolemite, it was due to me not changing the smoothing groups there, all fixed now

*Updated

dolemite · May 2009

Why are the pictures broken through the entire thread? It would be cool for those of us who just got here to be able to see the complete thread from start to finish. I see people commenting on things and I wonder what they're talking about.

Is the fender fixed? I think that smoothing error is still there.

kat · May 2009

That's what happens when you use 3rd party image hosting

renderhjs · May 2009

there seems to be some faces missing on the back:

also on the bottom it seems to be a bit empty or to light - like if some construction stuff is missing that holds the weight at the rear.

System · Jun 2009

Ahh yeh the images were deleted:\ it's from an old account, decided to restart the building but haven't moved onto it yet.

The high poly vehicle all modelled in max;

renderhjs this was my reference mostly. It's just the design, weird I know, like the door handles too!

renderhjs · Jun 2009

I think its broken at the end,- it was afaik not a design decision

System · Jul 2009

renderhjs - could be true

Working on some props to give a feel for what the env should look like.

Ancient-Pig · Jul 2009

Looking nice!

A-Train · Jul 2009

If you look closer at your reference, it's due to chipping and rust on the back fender. It's not part of the design of the truck, and you should probably adjust your model to represent that. Btw! Great job

love the style of the old trucks.

GCMP wrote: »

Ahh yeh the images were deleted: it's from an old account, decided to restart the building but haven't moved onto it yet.

The high poly vehicle all modelled in max;

renderhjs this was my reference mostly. It's just the design, weird I know, like the door handles too!

System · Jul 2009

Ancient-Pig - Thankyou for your compliment

A-Train - Might consider changing that although have grown to like the design now apart from a few things here and there with textures. Thanks too for your compliment

Air con unit reference;

System · Jul 2009

About 3/4 of the way there now on modelling this, thought I'd throw in some rendering cheap thrills

ps: thought this was a powerful computer until max locked up when opening pshop to overlay the renders, bah!

conte · Jul 2009

what renderhjs said, that was a broken car.
nice model tho!

c0ldhands · Jul 2009

goin all nuts at this are u, would be interesting to see how this turns out

Jeremy Wright · Jul 2009

Some really nice modeling in this thread. I have to suggest you fix that truck fender, though. It looks really out of place. You could always match it to the reference and make it look damaged, similar to what you've done to the hood (which seems a bit excessively dented, I have to say).

Good work!

oobersli · Jul 2009

stuffs looking good, but your reference is most likely the ac unit from a factory or huge warehouse type setting.

this is more along the lines you might see something outside a resturant like what youre doing

butt_sahib · Jul 2009

That will look so cool worn down

System · Jul 2009

conte, 8FtSpider - agreed on the truck now I keep looking, it just looked like too clean of a cut in the ref to be dammage! Planning on changing a few things with it, one being the door handles, actually suprised no-one mentioned this but now I look more they look like door handles from an interior house door, not a car.
Will change the rear fender too, it's not a smoothing issue though, it's floating geometry that I thought would look good if it was a lighter colour than the surrounding parts

Other than that one or two texture changes then it should be good to go into the scene.

c0ldhands - thanks man, will keep you posted :icon60:

oobersli - absolutely correct it's an industrial a/c unit

Thing is I was trawling the net trying to find some nice big reference pics of old a/c units for restaurants/small businesses and they all looked like those you posted. Just felt that it was a bit boring and wanted a bit more spice if you know what I mean. Thanks for the heads up and considering that I will make the textures huge for this and try not to exclude any modelling details so if this does end up looking out of place in the final scene it shall be worthy of a standalone status.

butt_sahib - only time will tell :icon60:

mLichy · Jul 2009

How many tris is it sitting at right now? Looks cool.

renderhjs · Jul 2009

I think you are improving a lot lately,- keep it up

System · Jul 2009

mLichy - it's 5,892,264 tris
renderhjs -thanks!

Muzzoid · Jul 2009

Coolio.

Needs cross brace peices though.
THe corrugated iron doesnt need to be shelled, just have a duplicate with flipped normals. (i think.) There are alot of thin tris there that dont add to shillouette.

System · Aug 2009

Thanks Muzz, I reduced it to 3,444 tris, still using a 2048 texture but want to keep everything big till the end and then think about full optimisation. About the side braces - seems like a good idea and will use that in another way, cloning one or two of the existing wooden beams and propping them up against the structure should help make it look a bit more interesting.

Done with this for now, here's some max renders...

Ps: the wood high poly normals looked crappy rendered like this so they have been removed apart from the wood grain, I actually think it looks better without it, what do you guys think?

System · Aug 2009

Building reference;

System · Aug 2009

Changed the design a little bit with the front porch roof slope.
Now building high poly structure, pretty boxy atm but things will get hectic soon...

System · Aug 2009

Now it's destruction time, well after some sleep maybe!

System · Aug 2009

Update!
Remodelled the roofs and started on the dammage.

Still lots to do, any suggestions?

CastratedWeasel · Aug 2009

ZacD · Aug 2009

yeah more damage and a more variety, we need dents, missing roof tiles,

renderhjs · Aug 2009

need some random rotation scripts? - either I post some or search for some on scriptspot;
http://scriptspot.com/search/node/random
like:
http://scriptspot.com/3ds-max/mass-randomizer
http://scriptspot.com/3ds-max/randomize
http://scriptspot.com/3ds-max/px-locorandomizer
http://scriptspot.com/3ds-max/randomizer-0

it really makes the difference using such scripts because it will look much more natural. Especially the roof tiles need some slight random rotation.

System · Aug 2009

CastratedWeasel - thanks man, you know I totally missed the corrugated rear porch area and thought the dammage was sufficent but as soon as I looked again after seeing your comment it was obviously not nearly enough dammage

Finished that now but haven't started on the roof tiles yet, been gathering some more reference on dammaged roofs.

ZacD - aye this will be a low down dirty establishment for your fried fast food!

renderhjs- thanks for the links they look very useful but I can't seem to get the scripts to work, wondering if it's anything to do with me running x64 max? The scripts won't run for some reason, tried everything I know which to be honest isn't alot, scripting isn't my area at all $:\$ halp!

renderhjs · Aug 2009

hmm, depends on which one you pick. In most cases you will get some *.ms file (maxscript) which contains the script.
So if you take the first script, it links to:
http://scriptspot.com/files/Tik_Mass_Randomizer_v1.913.mcr
which is a macroscript (mcr = macroscript), a macroscript is container that holds the maxscript so that you can bind it to a shortcut or some icon in your interface.

So to get for example that script running:
1.) download it
2.) go to max
3.) hit F11 to open the maxscript listener
4.) pick file > run script
5.) pick that downloaded mcr file
...it should now evaluate the script but you might not see anything...
6.) now go to customize > customize user interface
7.) click on the toolbar tab (we will create a button in the interface)
8.) from the "category" list pick "Tik Works" because thats written within the mcr file
9.) in the action list you should now see "Mass Randomizer", drag that item into your main toolbar of 3dsmax (yes drag and drop!).
You should see a new button in the main toolbar at the spot where you released your mouse from the drag/ drop action.
Close the customize window and on the toolbar on the new button right click on it to customize it (icon, text, label,...).

Each time you now hit that button the floater for this script (a window panel) will appear, you can work with that now.

System · Aug 2009

got it working!! That's awesome info man, should be able to use some more scripts now to speed up the workflow:thumbup: thankyou!

System · Aug 2009

Been getting on with some of the dammage today amongst other stuff, hope you guys like it!

Front

Back

App

renderhjs - found out that I can't use the randomizer script with the way I built the roofing - the divisions are just negative extrusions across a horizontal chamfered box to make it look like seperate tiles. Still though I WILL put this to good use very soon, cheers

System · Sep 2009

*Updated

System · Sep 2009

Some high poly parts of the generator reworked and one new one...

Just the new cable & plug as up there and some small electrical wires left to bake then it's onto texturing

oobersli · Sep 2009

what type of plug are you trying to go for? euro style??

Freddy's Fried Chicken - Small scene

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