http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/terminatorsalvation/

Droooool, I've been waiting for this!

holy shiiiiiiiiit


edit, i hope it doesnt turn out to be a transformers ripoff....

Humm... this looks bad.

And why we build such inefficient robots?

Originally Posted by Talon

Humm... this looks bad.

1) Robots
2) Explosions
3) Christian Bale's fake raspy voice.

How, again, could this possibly be anything but awesome?.

Also, the last robot has a giant freaking laser cannon for a head. That seems like a pretty efficient use of engineering to me.

sweeeet

Originally Posted by Slum

1) Robots
2) Explosions
3) Christian Bale's fake raspy voice.

How, again, could this possibly be anything but awesome?.

Also, the last robot has a giant freaking laser cannon for a head. That seems like a pretty efficient use of engineering to me.

Hahah, alright, you've a point. Three, infact! Perhaps I'm look to the Terminator films for the more personal demon/friend atmosphere that T1 and 2 had. I think that's what made the first two films for me.

As for the robots... motorbike robots? I can see that, just. Walking behemoths modeled after a bipedal human? I don't know, it looks a bit stumbly to me and with forwards firing weaponry like a human would have because that's all we can process... something more quadruped that could defend/attack from all sides would surely be a bit more efficient? There's always been something about robots modeled after the human form that feels wrong to me, somehow a very human way of looking at designing things that could be free of the limitations of the human form.

Batman ? Check.
Terminator ? Check.

Now all we need are a new RoboCop and Aliens Movie with Christian Bale in it .

no.... spoilers....

Originally Posted by rebb

Batman ? Check.
Terminator ? Check.

Now all we need are a new RoboCop and Aliens Movie with Christian Bale in it .

The RoboCop reboot is being directed by Aronofsky!

Originally Posted by rawkstar

no.... spoilers....

The Terminators fail to kill John Connor...again...for like the zillionth time...

I'm a little on the fence with this trailer.
The motorbike robots and lack of night fighting...i mean ALL terminator battles should take place at night!
It was however pretty sweet to see the one woman from the the TV series be in the movie. I really dig the TV series and T1 and T2...T3 uhh...well. I'll definitely see it in theatres i just hope i see more T-100 skeletons with giant guns stomping on skulls.
B

NOTE: The woman i thought was from the TV series is actually the chick from the canceled TV series "Journeyman", that was also a pretty sweet show.

So is that guy Christian Bale is facing off against another Terminator sent to kill him from the future?

When is Christian Bale going to stop thinking he can pull off the raspy voice?

Trailer looks neat but I hope the story is good.

i don't know bout this. it's the problem i usually find in prequels these days. they create things that are more advanced than what was present in the other films. i would love to see ALL three weapons from the original:...terminator, tank thingy, flying thingy. that's it. maybe a couple of variations here and there. but man, don't go nuts cause you can(digi FX).

it's one of the reasons the star wars prequels were all trash(one reason out of zillions). everything was so much more advanced. it just doesn't follow logic in the progression of the fictional world. it's a prequel...make it raw like the very first terminator and concentrate on the story.

@fritz: the star wars prequels do explain the tech pretty well? the xwings could be seen in the fighter ships in episode 3, while the tie fighters could be seen in the jedi starfighters. by that i mean that we can recognize things like s-foils and general shapes etc.
the droids were 'disbanded' because the trade federation was gotten rid of, and the clones were cheaper / already purchased, as compared to manufacturing new droids. the expanded universe explains things better. im no sw buff, but i think most things were well explained, in terms of crappification of technology

also, this terminator isnt a prequel. its a sequel. as far as i remember, this is supposed to be after judgement day, which would put it 'ahead' of the prior 3. as such, super-tech only makes sense. also, we haven't really seen _everything_ skynet had to offer. We dont know how advanced the things were in that secret military base etc. maybe laser-head-robot already existed when we were watching t2. we'll never know.

as long as a good explanation is given, i'll be happy


on the note of being happy:


OMFG!
i loved the T series ever since i saw T2 when i was around 5. T3 was a bit of a let down, and the lack of arnie in the upcoming trilogy slightly saddens me, but after seein this trailer, im pumped for it!
can't wait!

True, the trailer doesn't make me want to see the movie at all. I don't see great acting, no great shots, no character tension, just big effects. If it weren't the terminator franchise I would just classify this as another silly scifi-action film.. which I hope it doesn't turn out to be.

I wonder what James Cameron will say about it...

he has said the story ended with the first two movies.

Originally Posted by fritz

i would love to see ALL three weapons from the original:...terminator, tank thingy, flying thingy. that's it. maybe a couple of variations here and there. but man, don't go nuts cause you can(digi FX).

<science nerd cap> I would have to say from the robots I saw in the trailer, that what we're shown in the older movies are more advanced. Basically the tech we're seeing is indicative of the situations SkyNet has to deal with. Immediately post nuclear apocalypse SkyNet has only basic robot research and manufacturing, and would probably be experimenting with the most efficient ways of killing off large swathes of unaware, unprepared, scattered human survivors who are taking to the road to meet up and scrounge for necessities (hence the motorcycle robots). Later on in the older movies we're seeing a SkyNet send the most efficient streamlined forces into battle instead of a hodge-podge of forces (its learned what forces work best and which don't), and to deal with a lot fewer, battle hardened survivors. </science nerd cap>

as far as the tech goes, you have to consider that through the first 3 movies and the tv show(if they're thinking of the show in their story progression) the timeline has been altered at least 3 times. So, the "future" has undergone what are possibly very significant changes due to what the connors were able to do in the past. Thats an easy space time continuum cop out if they want it, but it also would have an effect on what lay in store in the future. This particular trailer wasn't too impressive, but I will see anything and everything with Terminators, its just a too cool, and most likely accurate, view of humanities future.

Yeah you can hear in the trailer Conner say this isn't the future my mother warned me about. Something has changed. So like in theory if time travel were real and you were to alter things it might create all new futures much worse or brighter then originally projected.

I am guessing that is the case here. That things got even more fucked up and worse due to some change. I don't care to be honest. It doesn't have to fit. It's not real. Suspend the disbelief and enjoy it for what it is. A movie where dudes fight machines that want to kill you. Works for me.

hmm.

Theres nothing special about this movie. I mean, compared to the other ones. Remember the first time you saw Terminator 2? There are so many awesome moments in that movie, it's a true classic. Wheres the awesome moments from this? It looks like a starship troopers sequel with transformers thrown in.

I'll still go and see it though.

Originally Posted by hawken

hmm.

Theres nothing special about this movie. I mean, compared to the other ones. Remember the first time you saw Terminator 2? There are so many awesome moments in that movie, it's a true classic. Wheres the awesome moments from this? It looks like a starship troopers sequel with transformers thrown in.

I'll still go and see it though.

Wouldn't you need to see it first before finding that kind of thing out?

Originally Posted by hawken

hmm.

Theres nothing special about this movie. I mean, compared to the other ones. Remember the first time you saw Terminator 2? There are so many awesome moments in that movie, it's a true classic. Wheres the awesome moments from this? It looks like a starship troopers sequel with transformers thrown in.

I'll still go and see it though.

Changing timelines is something that was introduced in T3, which is a movie that if you take it into account ruins the entire continuity of the series, so let's forget that.

Traveling in time and traveling in timelines are two different things entirely. You can't change a timeline, but you can decide to tell the story from the point of view of another timeline, which means accepting that there are an infinity of them, and anything that can happen happens at some point, which robs storytelling of impact and kind of makes things pointless.

T1 and T2 are consistent with there being only one timeline in the telling of this story, that's the whole beauty of it, and the foundation for the theme of unrelenting hope in T2.

To make it clear for those that aren't following:
When you're walking down a street through the three dimensions of space the blocks around you don't pop into existence as you pass them, they were there anyway. The dimension of time is the same. The "future" doesn't pop into existence when you experience it, it was always there. The only thing moving is your linear perception of time, just like walking down a street.

This explains how Kyle Reese can be John Connor's father, without any complications.

Time didn't happen first without any terminators, then the future war happened and then the robots were sent back in time and then the past happened again. The same point in time can't happen twice, dude. Just like you can't have two atoms occupy the exact same position in space.

The only reason why the humans won the war is because John Connor had been trained by his mother to prepare for it. How could he have been trained to prepare for it if they knew nothing about the terminators in the first "iteration" of the timeline?

There are no "alternate timelines" in the proper terminator universe. We'll see what John's comments in the trailer comes to mean. It could be something as simple as "I could never imagine how bad this was going to be". You got to keep in mind that Sarah never saw the future, she has no basis to tell John exactly what's going to happen.

Adult John sends the message "The future is not set" with Reese to give to his mother. For what other reason than to give her hope and strength to do what she will have to do no matter what? You don't tell your company of soldiers "probably most of you will die" before you send them out in battle. It's these kind of touches that can elevate a movie like this beyond just a fun action romp.

Yeah I totally geek out about those 2 first movies, can you tell?

Originally Posted by Illusions

...and would probably be experimenting with the most efficient ways of killing off large swathes of unaware, unprepared, scattered human survivors who are taking to the road to meet up and scrounge for necessities...

My suggestion to our robot overlords would be chemical/biological weapons. Why waste your time with lasers?