http://www.qj.net/E3-Media-Summit-20.../49/aid/121612


This just in, E3's board of directors makes more bad decisions... Shocking news I know...

decisions

Funny, I just read this Article regarding 3d Realms deeming E3 irrelevant
http://www.joystiq.com/2008/06/30/dn...-kettle-black/

And this just after Microsoft admitting to purposefully delaying PC versions of games so that people spend more money on Xboxes.

Sigh :/

hang on ... what actually IS the definition between console and PC?

seems to me - what with user choice of drives, installable content, waiting ages for games to load, really noisy fans, solder overheating and chips falling out, and being able to do shit loads more on yer modern console than just play games - it's getting more and more blurred.

Wack...
Besides, E3 isn't what it used to be anymore. So It's hard to stay enthusiastic about looking forward to it. Now that it's officially a sweat fest for the open public.

Originally Posted by danr

hang on ... what actually IS the definition between console and PC?

seems to me - what with user choice of drives, installable content, waiting ages for games to load, really noisy fans, solder overheating and chips falling out, and being able to do shit loads more on yer modern console than just play games - it's getting more and more blurred.

Well, one you pay Microsoft £250 for and the other you don't :P

E3 was dead anyway, pc gaming is dieing aside from the couple strong games left on it(WoW, some shooters and RTS) and with good reason as well. Rising console sales and declining pc sales.... This isn't really surprising at all.

Does anyone really care about e3 anymore?

I dont really know about E3 but I dont think PC gaming will ever fully die, I just expect there to be more peaks and troughs of PC activity in future than ever before as generations of consoles come and go and I expect more PC like applications for consoles until the lines between PC and console get even more blurry.

The only distinction really is software, as a console can be made to do the same things a PC can if it is allowed to run the appropriate software. Well, and the ability to upgrade hardware...

As long as blizzard is still around pc gaming will never die, but i dont see much potential for growth in the pc market.

I think the decline in PC gaming will mean less self taught candidates applying for jobs. And more unprepared students graduating from "game art schools".

Yea piracy!
Yea MS for snatching up PC developers to fill console ranks!
Yea for Games for Windows 9 years too late Yea!
Yea for Intel making the most horrible graphics chip ever and pushing it on anyone and everyone! yea!

ok I'm done...

PC gaming is dying because many game developers refuse to make games for PC because piracy is too easy on PC

Sadly its just as easy on say Xbox though ViPr... and the games cost more on 360 then PC (retail).

EQ said as long as Blizzard is around PC is ok. I agree with that, but I think its gonna rest more on Steam (or companies like steam) that provides an easy access to games without the big problem of piracy.

Also... are people forgetting about Browser Based Gaming already? www.InstantAction.com is one company that is really pushing quality for Browser Based Gaming, and I don't think this will go away. What about ID releasing Browser based Q3.

I think whats gonna happen is PC will lose some bigger AAA titles, but more indie devs will step up and produce (most likely) more innovative games at a much lower cost to the consumer and the developer, and it'll be playable on your browser, with lower recommended spec... the future is INDIE!

Certain game types will always draw discerning hardcore fans to the PC. These people generally don't buy into marketing hype about games. They are serious and selective about what they play, and the PC hardware that they play it on. E3 is all about marketing hype and hoopla, which isn't all that effective for these types of game players anyway.

In my opinion PC gaming is not dying. It is just changing towards digital distribution and different sales models.
In fact some companies like valve would argue that PC gaming is the future.
And Valve do have a pretty good track record of making good business decisions. http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php...=160866&page=1

Not sure about the "indie future" Jason suggested, PC is a massive market, bigger companies won't pass it up.

E3...meh. I love PC gaming and will always prefer it over console, especially for FPS.

Good. The farther PC gaming can get away from console gaming, the better. It's a dinosaur, and isn't going to exist much longer. The 360 already managed to eliminate most benefits of console gaming in one generation. Next generation we move to more digital downloads, more swappable parts, more feature creep, more updates and patches, more SKU confusion, and consoles will have completed their slow crawl back to being PC's again.

Remember, the XBox was created solely to prevent Sony from dominating the market. If Microsoft can convert consoles into PC's, and they're doing a damn good job, it's mission accomplished.

Meanwhile the PC industry will be waiting for everyone to catch up.

who cares? i'll play some games on my pc, some on my consoles and thoroughly enjoy playing them.

It's a shame there's no PC games at E3.

I can understand the move towards consoles. Harder to pirate (removing the 360 dvd drive and flashing it is honestly above most people) and a consistant platform makes things nicer for the programmers. instead of coding for 3 million combinations of pc's you program for a couple setups (360, ps3, wii, ps2, etc)

You'd be amazed at how something will work on one system, but without logic crash instantly on another

But that's the thing Keg, once browser based games start to become more popular, a lot of the computer specs to play those games will be lower, so it isn't always focused on having the best graphics, but more so having great gameplay.

I think that's probably one of the biggest benefits of browser gaming, eliminate the confusion.

there are a ton of things that you can do with a pc that you can never hope to do on a console, if hellgate london was out for xbox 360 flagship would be out of business because the 360 is NOT the platform of choice in korea. sure there is alot less piracy on consoles, but there are 2 limits you are placing on yourself 1. the number of those consoles out there is basically your playerbase, and not everyone will buy your game, whereas almost everyone has a pc. 2. the lifetime of your game is limited by the lifetime of that particular console, there are many pc games that people still play avidly even now that came out almost 10 years ago. On top of that, you also have to rush your game so that it won't miss the window of opportunity during a lifetime of the console its made for, ie ... look how starcraft ghost completely missed the boat. pc gaming will never die because pcs are here and everyone's got them, and consoles come and go.

Just to clarify something about browser-based games in their instantaction/quake live-form:
They're not really running in the browser. They don't eliminate the need to make them work on every system. They're not crossplatform by design, and most of them likely won't ever be. They're games that are downloaded and run in a frame, optionally fullscreen.

I play some free games launched via activex in explorer (casual multiplayer), game&game is one of those companies that offers free2play

No pc games on E3, well, ppl got what they deserve, as simple as that hehe. With the internet and Free or cash mmos, i usually don't buy pc games. Multiplayer is the actual tendency.

Last year i bought Gears of Wars for PC, exclusively for the Cooperative, and Unreal Tournament 3 due to the multiplayer, very funny the onslaughts. I dislike single player games a lot, to play with more ppl is better.

As a note, think about working for the devil, noone wants . To work for pc it's like to work for the devil on these days. You know, your game will be pirated in a high %, anD so much, that profits will not cover for your next project. One proof is what happened with Iron Lore. Sad but True.

In Blizzard are very Clever, Battle net and the online play is something that forces those common pirates to buy the game if they want to play multiplayer. And like multiplayer is the most demanding thing, they win. I liked so much diablo 2, that i own 2 copies of it, and 2 of the expansion too (i have a brother). Like me, too many people .

The bad side of all this i have readed, is that we will only see a good game in a period of 5 years for pc... or maybe more years. The rest will be cheap and bad games. The AAA+ titles will go to consoles where benefits exists for producers.

PC games will never die for sure, koreans studios produce mmos like cookies. And it's becaming the multiplayer platform ^^ by excelence, RTS, MMORPGs, Casual gaming, and FPS.

but WAR and Sims 3 are most anticipated

http://e3.gamespot.com/