Hi, here is a gernade launcher I designed for Vermuelen's mod. The model is made up of 969 polygons. I was wondering what you thought of the color scheme I have in mind for the texture. Let me know what you think. Thanks.

Alex

The mesh looks really nice, but I still think 1000 polys is overkill for weaponmodels, even with todays fast computers.
That computing power could be much better spend on other stuff.
Oh and I really don't like that red on your concept pic... dunno but for me even fantasy weapons should look like 'realistic' weapons.

I think the handle is too thin. Also, where do you put your other hand to steady it? Just underneath? Usually there's an underside grip as well. The color scheme is ok, not sure if paint would hold up in combat situations.

JKMakowka - 1000 polys is fine for weapon models, if the power exists it should be used.

1000 is overkill for world models, if its a view model then most games today are using closer to 2000-2500

Looks pretty pimp, I think the polycount isn't a problem. Looking forward to the texture!

Grenade launchers use a different sight. Since grenades are heavier than normal gun projectiles they aren't fired at the same speed and gravity has a much larger influence even at short distances. They usually have lots of targeting markers for various distances. But then again you dont have a shoulder piece on the weapon, either...
Oh, and the clip doesn't look like it could house the ammunition you're going for, might want to scale it up.

If you look at real life guns , they are purely functional in design ... try to think of a reason somthing is onyour model ... if there is bits sticking out , or holes ... why are they there? just my 2 pence [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

1000 polies for something that will be taking up a quarter of the screen is definitely not overkill.
I like the design, kind of a mix between the quake 2 and 3 grenade launchers. I’m not a big fan of the grey blue and red colour scheme though.

Thermidor:- I see what you mean baout the functuality of guns,but unless you are a gun-nut (and this can be todo with anything really) you,like me,maynot know the parts or the "why are they there?" for your average gun....As long as the design for a futuristic based object is ergonomically possible to use and the most basic functality issues are solved (in this case the handles,grip,trigger position and grenade clip) and the design matches the style you are going for then I see no issues about it.

ALso im not digging the red outlines either.

John

Hi heere is an update of the gun. I started to texture it. Let me know what you think. Thansk for the replies and suggestions.

Alex

looks good, keep goin!

-the barrel hole is very large

-the projectile is very large

-the ammunition feed belt/wheel holes are not correspondingly sized

-a rotary amunition feed for this weapon just doesnt make a huge lot of sense. I suppose you could keep it for the fantasy sense but usually grenade damage is huge compared to other weapons and gameplay balance would have it be a slowfire weapon. Slow rate of fire weapons benefit a lot from fancy reload animations when possible; this brings upt he opportunity to have a chamber that needs reloading which would be a really nice and impressive animation that takes a few seconds - thusly balancing the need for gameplay balance and to have the weaopns appearance and function balance its appearance.

-your current color scheme appears to be more of a sports color coding than a weapon coloring. If your making a CTF/teamplay game then that coding may be appropriate (and if so you may want red/blue variants) However usually I recommend you make your first skin be a non-team colored variant and when its done find out what colors/areas would benefit most from team color variants. Having a gun look like its got sports striping or Circus colors doesnt add to the "holy hell thats going to rip my head off" feel that a flat gun-metal grey does .. at least to me.

-the current design of this weapon is waaaay to heavy on the front side and the way the grips are it would be breaking your wrist (or feel like it was) in 2 minutes or less. If its going to be that front heavy this is a HEAVY weaopn and would need a bigger grip for the non-firing hand that would allow you to support the front end of it and you might want to also have a shoulder strap to support it.

overall I suggest re-design to a chamber loading grenade which will alleviate half of the feedback I have.


As always - its your gun so please take my crits only as suggestions and enjoy your design if it suits your personal needs.

melkior (at)
studio-erebus.com
Nightwatch Modeling Team Lead

The color scheme was approved by the people that comissioned the gun since it fits into their game pretty well. Melkior you made some good points about the holes, I sort of overlooked that. I modified them so they match and added the ammo. I sort of based this theme on the Quake 3 guns so I'm not really going for a typical realistic looking granade launcher. I also added a spot for the character to hold the gun steady, similar to what was done in Quake 3. The gun's texture has a long way to go. The final lines will be all scratched up as well as most of the paint so I will be revealing alot of the base gray paint. There will be burn marks, dirt, and other wear and tear. Thanks for the advise. Let me know what you think.

Alex

I like the revolver kind of loading system. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]It does looks a little unbalanced because of the handle imho. I would rotate the handle and resize it just a little. What i don`t like is how parts of the model (buttons, coolgrid) intersects the gun. Try to flatten the edges to the surface - it`s also easier to skin.

hth

The hole in the barrel needs to be centered. It just doesn't look right being shifted to the top like that.

Maybe a less bright pinkish shade of red would work better? Something closer to blood, im still not a fan of the colour scheme but i think changing the red would help alot.

Hi here is an update to my gernade launcher. This mostly a prototype and is around 1045 polys. Let me know what you think.

Alex

the new design looking much better Sage, only crit possibly is that the area under the barrel looks a bit flimsy. nice improvement

Here is another update to my gun. I started to do a color test for the gun and sketched in so details. I also optimized the gun alot, it's now 970 polys. Let me know what you think.

Alex

Reminds me of the quake2 art somewhat [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] Which is a good thing in my eyes, I loved that stuff. Keep going [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Reminds me of the Quake2 Grenade Launcher (which is a good thing!) [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
[edit]lol, n30g3n3s1s... great minds... [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

I like the start on the colour scheme. something to remember is that when paint gets chipped off like that to reveal the grey metal underneath, the chipping usually occurs around points of most contact - ie corners and edges of the metal, it's not likely that the paint would flake off in large areas which wouldn't come into contact with things very often.
Also you'll want to remember to throw in some nice sharp highlights on the grey metal, but not on the red paint - that will help differentiate the materials.

Keep it up!

BTW just a note: You've been spelling it "gernade" all this time, it's actually "grenade"!

One thing to fit the nexuiz style, is that it should be more of an alien chrome clean metal type design. No textures in nexuiz have rust or dirt. The model looks great now though, its a lot more detailed on the top which adds a lot to it.

The grenade launcher in terminator 2 had a revolvng magazine, right? I didnt mind the old paint scheme (as long as it wasnt going for realism, kinda like a colourfull ps2 game). I think they re-do looks too much like the Q2 one, but the fatter grenades are better. (and the magazine was an oval in the old one.)

Hmm... old paint does flake off in laege bits in the middle of things, but that old flakey lead based paint most likley.

Hi, here is an update to my gun. I hope to have it done in a few weeks. Let me know what you think.

Alex

Hey, I'm a fan of the mesh. Really like it, well done. The overall appearance of the weapon though looks all too familiar from sorts of FPS games. The imagination side of it seems lacking, but the execution of it all is superb. Now to see a finished skin...