I agree about the face being little too masculine (tho with more feminine hair she would look more like a female)
Also on the 1st pic her back is kinda "broken"
But they have that nice made by Pior look to them
/me is fanboy
The pics simply reek with your style pior, but as stated previously,
the 2nd pic totally freaked me out as I thought I was looking at a man with a boob job done.
so nice pior my frenchman buddy, I like the way you shade. I think though, that by using parralel lines, you are hurting the volume you could be creating by making them follow the contour of teh body. One of the biggest areas i see this is on the second picture, the shading on her ribcage, it really flattens it out, when you could be giving it a bit more roundness with curved lines. anywho they all look swank!
Jes, Tom and Bladder, yeah she was kindof masculine looking. The short hair combined with the strong facial features made her looking like a girlish man on some of the other student drawings too. But it's also true that I have been having a tendency to masculinize female headshapes recently... which sure doesn't help. The girl was sexy tho
Toom & Per, the back was sure relly weird on this pose... The timespan of this quick pose didn't help here either
It's funny tho, because this teacher we are having tends to go a different way than many others. While you could think that art teachers tend to make everybody in one class draw the same way, this one insists very very much on style expression and personality conveyed by drawing even in this evening class that both beginners and advanced ppl are attending. I found this to be a really interesting approach but it's true that sometimes this can leads to some things slipping away... I guess that his take is to let the students that feel confident enough to correct their mistakes by themselfes... Maybe I simply did not see this one
Poop, that's so true now that I look at this. I guess I should have crisscrossed this part instead of putting parallels lines on the shadowed area, or even better and as you suggest it, I should have followed the body curves... Great point! Actually I think I'll try to go this way next time :
Pior, yea, she does have that kinda "Arnold" look (Sorry Guys but she does! ) about her. But for a Quick sketch it was done quite well on the back I think the area in the far right side the angle is just I dunno "off" in a way, but thats the only thing I saw that could have been corrected.
Was this off Pad? Or "Wacom"?
Great stuff pior. I had life drawing class but we were working at A2 size, and I don't have a scanner. My digital camera has no batteries in at the moment
Your line work is very fluid and confident. I love the style, as usual!
lovely man. very distinct shading, i think they are just great. You obviously have a way with simple shapes and shading but still give a wonderfull impresion of a whole thing. great.
Very nice Pior. Dang. Poop said it. But that no. 3 in your second batch there is just stunning. I want to marry her but Id settle for hanging her on my wall.
Go Go frenchfry power! Looking great Pior. I love the super dark shading. I think it could be a bit more powerful if you introduced a light grey and used it to draw attention to the parts that you leave in straight b&w like you have now.
Merci Vahl, tu es presque toujours celui qui les voit en premier par msn
Arco, yeah I try to go simple, but it's sometimes annoying. I need to practice shading/rendering...
Yus Daz I like this one too Except that the girl portrayed there is VERY bony... She came by during the break and asked me if she really has as many bones than in my sketches And then she also asked me to give her bigger boobs on the next sketches. Funny conversation for sure
Adam, do it! It such a pleasure...
Nose, these are around 10 to 15 minutes poses on these. I'm not much of an extra fast drawer when it comes to life drawing No wonder why these guys at the atelier can make better figures in less time, the gallery on the atelier website is short yet very impressive !! I also need to take more classes
Thanks Therm, and Poop, yeah i thing you are right. I still have to practice my shading, atm I have a tendency to fall into pure black a bit too fast. So yeah your idea sounds good... Will try that later
Below are a few from last thursday night. The teacher suprized everyone in the class when he made clear that we'll work on -5mins poses only this day. It was rather new since we don't even do superquick sketching/warming up usually. 2 hours like that, and the model almost fainted
Hence nothing rendered below, but I'm very happy with this session tho. I liked the fragile/eerie look of everyones drawing this day.
No class next week unfortunately... I guess I need to find some naked girl somewhere else
ye i bet u could so a little more for 10-15 min poses. i think perhaps u may wonna try get looser with ur lines and shading. perfectionism often consumes most of the pose time if u let it take over..
ill add some stuff to this thread,
unfortunately i dont have any short pose gesture stuff scanned at the moment. maybe later?
Thermidor, I really enjoy these too. For some reason I like them more than my older/longer ones. Speedsketching is cool!
Jimmies, yus it'm me I'm glad you enjoyed the model!
Shotgun, you're so right I *do* need to get looser with all this, I tend to shade to hard end often end up with a little dark mess. I definately need more practice.
And man your studies are great... How long did it take to produce the first one? And this second one, whoa, it could be great as a rock/pop CD cover... It's my fav so far.
Don't hesitate and post some more!
I missed last weeks class because of a school trip... And it's winter break now... Can't wait!
Pior, this isn't your first time in life drawing, is it? I really like how your playing with line quality, especially your second batch. I hope you plan to keep us updated. Kick ass cont
Hey Eli I'm glad to see you posting here! I'm sure Poop posed for you at MBW, so don't feel shy and all, post these too!
Masta, you could use the computer 'opportunity' to try your hand at full color sketches maybe... Man I'd really like to have a laptop to be able to Opencanvas during the class
Some more below. I've been changing tools for tonight's class it turned out to be a bit different... I don't know yet.
This is an example of what I was crank'n out in my QuickSketch Life Drawing class. These are 3 to 5 minute poses. The teacher wants me to emphasize more rendering and shading.......and I've seen the teacher do it, so it's possible.
Woo woo Moppy I dig the lightness of the last one.. And the Tria+ink combo works well on the nude too. Funky hairdo she has! I think I saw this girl on an oil painting done at the mbw too.
Noserider, each time you post its the perfect ad for the Wattsatelier... You really make me want to be in a place like that. And hummmm a teacher that actually draws during the class sounds like the gem
All in one I love these. Can you tell a bit more about the technique? Especially the tool you use to shade. I've been trying to find something that'd allow broad and smooth crosshatching like on your bottom-right bunch. Or maybe I'm just not doing it properly... I don't know. I've been trying the 'pierre noire' thing recently, and its getting closer, but some insights would be appreciated anyways
And btw, are you taking the class full time? Or is that like an evening class you are taking as an extra? Just curious
These guys are using charcoal [pencils],not charcoal sticks....pencils with charcoal.
However, Watts Atelier emphasizes holding your charcoal pencil differently then when you hold a regular pencil to write with, so there's still a technique involved.
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Holding the Drawing Tool - The way the tool is held is very important in drawing. It is usually better to hold it very loosely in the fingers - in the usual way, but with the thumb and first two fingers 2 or more inches above the point. Even better is to have the thumb and first two fingers in a more straightened out position, palm facing down. With a piece of charcoal or pastel, a good way is to hold the tool between the thumb and all of the fingers, palm down. These last two positions make it easier to use cross-hatching, which is a good way to do shading of lights and darks (chiaroscuro). Although it is OK to draw with the hand in some cases, it is usually better to draw not just with the hand, but with the arm itself. Especially when one is standing to draw at an easel, this lends itself to a looser way of working. Also, one is then able to see the drawing from more of a distance away, which is good for checking proportions, and progress in general.
This was done at a 3 hour uninstructed workshop class.....and I still don't know how to render with charcoal pencil, according to my instructors. So that gives you an idea of what kind of talent I go up against.
Will never stop loving your work pior :P
Do you construct your drawings? I can never see any evidence of it in your work, either that or you do it very faintly If you dont, you should try it, makes everything far simpler.
Although listening to me may not work since ive never had a class in my life, my degree does not let me have the time I wish i could go to something similar to where you guys do!
Hey Mak, smooth stuff you have here. That looks like some good practice!
About construction lines and all, well I guess it depends. When drawing from photos and/or while concept sketching I think its the way to go... But when it comes to life drawing my instructor tends to emphasize on what you feel about the model, his/her personality and so on...
I used very 'hard' lines some weeks ago (for both construction and rendering) and he told me that the drawing was looking like some heavy stone statue, that it was hard to 'enter' the drawing because of this. Wooo that was so true... I'm trying to use light, uncertain lines for construction and I like this better.
I'm having a hard time with rendering tho... Charcoal pencils are cool but I don't master them at all, everything tends to turn pitch black. I'm happy with the first one but the others went out of hand. Any advice NoseRider? This girl you did is great btw... Really nice.
pior- I am not sure if you are sticking to charcoal pencils only but I tend to like pencils and blocks of charcoal for just what u mentioned. I grind up a little amount off a block into a power and then get dirty with my fingers and eraser. Tends to let me control depth and contrast more gradualy. I am sure you feel the same way but every finger used to apply chacoal is like a diffrent grade pencil, altho I do like to use my thumb,index, and pinky the most. Give a try sometime, and have fun.
These new ones are excellent Pior - the first one is my favourite, very well done. The lines are very nice, and a there's good sense of weight to the model.
Nice use of value Pior, You really get the full range out of those.
Makaveli, lots of nice work there. I would recomend getting an ebony, or 8b pencil to really add some darks in there.
Noserider, looking good, but I would say the biggest thing I notice, is that you aren't really popping the forms. Try to get more value range, and use some of the lines to contour your volumes.
ye i like him a lot!
he is one of the better models we have here, very still, cool shave..
good stuff pior, very smoothy very piorish
i think they would work a lot better if u just pushed the values on some areas
like just put ur darkest darks in and make things "lock" u know what i mean.. cuz its all there the figuer and pose etc, just matter of putting it in and it could easily make things look a lot better
im not sure what it is eli, but she has a lot of you in her
the way she looks
the pink hue on the cheeks maybe?
from my non existing experience in oil paintings (im just starting acrilycs now) id say that i think u should have put more effort into the background, even just values and colors to pop the girl out
also, compoistion wise its not exactly bust its not exactly lower bust with hands its kinda in the middle.. say if u chopped her off below neck i believe itd be a stronger piece
the vest is pretty rough compared to the face, and the left shoulder is not really there to support it so it looks kinda off
the first batch is very rigid, I don't like them I forced myself to use gesture drawings as a base for most of the sketches during yesterdays class and it was sooo much easier
Eli, its nice to see you are experimenting with oils. What color do you use? I mean, do you mix them tourself or are you using some starter kit with flesh colors ready? I don't know what to buy/where to start with oils...
Wooo I love the 'graphic' qualities of these Nose. What are you bringing with you for the classes actually? Laptop + tablet, or some kind of PDA or PocketPC?
If possible, you might want to try your hands at opencanvas1, I feel like it would work like a charm in such an environnement.
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(or am I blind?)
Pretty nice either way...
Oh, and... nude? O_O
Also on the 1st pic her back is kinda "broken"
But they have that nice made by Pior look to them
/me is fanboy
the 2nd pic totally freaked me out as I thought I was looking at a man with a boob job done.
maybe this is on purpose? ;o
Toom & Per, the back was sure relly weird on this pose... The timespan of this quick pose didn't help here either
It's funny tho, because this teacher we are having tends to go a different way than many others. While you could think that art teachers tend to make everybody in one class draw the same way, this one insists very very much on style expression and personality conveyed by drawing even in this evening class that both beginners and advanced ppl are attending. I found this to be a really interesting approach but it's true that sometimes this can leads to some things slipping away... I guess that his take is to let the students that feel confident enough to correct their mistakes by themselfes... Maybe I simply did not see this one
Poop, that's so true now that I look at this. I guess I should have crisscrossed this part instead of putting parallels lines on the shadowed area, or even better and as you suggest it, I should have followed the body curves... Great point! Actually I think I'll try to go this way next time :
http://www.pioroberson.com/images/sketch_aquaboy.jpg
Sometimes it's hard to think about all these things while in the life class... Better luck next time!
Post yours everyone!
Was this off Pad? Or "Wacom"?
Your line work is very fluid and confident. I love the style, as usual!
MoP
I was awfully late with my scans... And yeah thumbnails are cool!
I'm taking a fast sketch figure class and some people can do that kind of quality in 5 minutes.
http://www.wattsatelier.com/home.html
This school is making me feel inadequate....so I have to take more classes.
Arco, yeah I try to go simple, but it's sometimes annoying. I need to practice shading/rendering...
Yus Daz I like this one too
Adam, do it! It such a pleasure...
Nose, these are around 10 to 15 minutes poses on these. I'm not much of an extra fast drawer when it comes to life drawing
Thanks Therm, and Poop, yeah i thing you are right. I still have to practice my shading, atm I have a tendency to fall into pure black a bit too fast. So yeah your idea sounds good... Will try that later
Below are a few from last thursday night. The teacher suprized everyone in the class when he made clear that we'll work on -5mins poses only this day. It was rather new since we don't even do superquick sketching/warming up usually. 2 hours like that, and the model almost fainted
Hence nothing rendered below, but I'm very happy with this session tho. I liked the fragile/eerie look of everyones drawing this day.
No class next week unfortunately... I guess I need to find some naked girl somewhere else
third one down has a nice construction , and the last i love the back neat and tidy work.
as always..
ye i bet u could so a little more for 10-15 min poses. i think perhaps u may wonna try get looser with ur lines and shading. perfectionism often consumes most of the pose time if u let it take over..
ill add some stuff to this thread,
unfortunately i dont have any short pose gesture stuff scanned at the moment. maybe later?
sorry for the cheap quality :~
Jimmies, yus it'm me
Shotgun, you're so right
And man your studies are great... How long did it take to produce the first one? And this second one, whoa, it could be great as a rock/pop CD cover... It's my fav so far.
Don't hesitate and post some more!
I missed last weeks class because of a school trip... And it's winter break now... Can't wait!
Superbe
shotgun - I really enjoy your drawings too, particularly the head studies.
Here is my humble addition to this thread, my most recent life drawings
Oil painting from life, 3 hours
tombo marker, 5 min
charcoal, 2 min
some older gesture drawings from October.
Masta, you could use the computer 'opportunity' to try your hand at full color sketches maybe... Man I'd really like to have a laptop to be able to Opencanvas during the class
Some more below. I've been changing tools for tonight's class it turned out to be a bit different... I don't know yet.
First batch is for the ladies!
Here are a couple I did during the MBW:
5 mins, marker only:
15-20 mins, marker and ink:
3 mins, pen:
Cool stuff here pior... nice thread!
MoP
Still figuring out how to take digital photos
This is an example of what I was crank'n out in my QuickSketch Life Drawing class. These are 3 to 5 minute poses. The teacher wants me to emphasize more rendering and shading.......and I've seen the teacher do it, so it's possible.
Noserider, each time you post its the perfect ad for the Wattsatelier... You really make me want to be in a place like that. And hummmm a teacher that actually draws during the class sounds like the gem
All in one I love these. Can you tell a bit more about the technique? Especially the tool you use to shade. I've been trying to find something that'd allow broad and smooth crosshatching like on your bottom-right bunch. Or maybe I'm just not doing it properly... I don't know. I've been trying the 'pierre noire' thing recently, and its getting closer, but some insights would be appreciated anyways
And btw, are you taking the class full time? Or is that like an evening class you are taking as an extra? Just curious
These guys are using charcoal [pencils],not charcoal sticks....pencils with charcoal.
However, Watts Atelier emphasizes holding your charcoal pencil differently then when you hold a regular pencil to write with, so there's still a technique involved.
[ QUOTE ]
Holding the Drawing Tool - The way the tool is held is very important in drawing. It is usually better to hold it very loosely in the fingers - in the usual way, but with the thumb and first two fingers 2 or more inches above the point. Even better is to have the thumb and first two fingers in a more straightened out position, palm facing down. With a piece of charcoal or pastel, a good way is to hold the tool between the thumb and all of the fingers, palm down. These last two positions make it easier to use cross-hatching, which is a good way to do shading of lights and darks (chiaroscuro). Although it is OK to draw with the hand in some cases, it is usually better to draw not just with the hand, but with the arm itself. Especially when one is standing to draw at an easel, this lends itself to a looser way of working. Also, one is then able to see the drawing from more of a distance away, which is good for checking proportions, and progress in general.
[/ QUOTE ]
http://www.cartage.org.lb/en/themes/Arts/drawings/DrawingMaterials/Mechanics/mechanics.htm
This is the best it can be described without making photo reference.
They emphasize Conte Charcoal Pencils:
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This is an example of the teachers QuickSketch Work, and I've seen better:
Right now I'm taking 4 classes and a Maya 3D Software Class at a different school.
This was done at a 3 hour uninstructed workshop class.....and I still don't know how to render with charcoal pencil, according to my instructors. So that gives you an idea of what kind of talent I go up against.
and so on.
Will never stop loving your work pior :P
Do you construct your drawings? I can never see any evidence of it in your work, either that or you do it very faintly
Although listening to me may not work since ive never had a class in my life, my degree does not let me have the time
thanks for the tips...
its like putting ur front teeth into a popstickal
or slowly tearing a piece of paper
or scratching ur nails on
well u know
dont like it
About construction lines and all, well I guess it depends. When drawing from photos and/or while concept sketching I think its the way to go... But when it comes to life drawing my instructor tends to emphasize on what you feel about the model, his/her personality and so on...
I used very 'hard' lines some weeks ago (for both construction and rendering) and he told me that the drawing was looking like some heavy stone statue, that it was hard to 'enter' the drawing because of this. Wooo that was so true... I'm trying to use light, uncertain lines for construction and I like this better.
I'm having a hard time with rendering tho... Charcoal pencils are cool but I don't master them at all, everything tends to turn pitch black. I'm happy with the first one but the others went out of hand. Any advice NoseRider? This girl you did is great btw... Really nice.
Laterz
Makaveli: Nice pencil work!
Makaveli, lots of nice work there. I would recomend getting an ebony, or 8b pencil to really add some darks in there.
Noserider, looking good, but I would say the biggest thing I notice, is that you aren't really popping the forms. Try to get more value range, and use some of the lines to contour your volumes.
this model seriously cant sit still for more than 1 minute,
so its mostly made up and finished from my head
More :
he is one of the better models we have here, very still, cool shave..
good stuff pior, very smoothy very piorish
i think they would work a lot better if u just pushed the values on some areas
like just put ur darkest darks in and make things "lock" u know what i mean.. cuz its all there the figuer and pose etc, just matter of putting it in and it could easily make things look a lot better
Another 3-hour oil painting from me.
the way she looks
the pink hue on the cheeks maybe?
from my non existing experience in oil paintings (im just starting acrilycs now) id say that i think u should have put more effort into the background, even just values and colors to pop the girl out
also, compoistion wise its not exactly bust its not exactly lower bust with hands its kinda in the middle.. say if u chopped her off below neck i believe itd be a stronger piece
the vest is pretty rough compared to the face, and the left shoulder is not really there to support it so it looks kinda off
the first batch is very rigid, I don't like them
Eli, its nice to see you are experimenting with oils. What color do you use? I mean, do you mix them tourself or are you using some starter kit with flesh colors ready? I don't know what to buy/where to start with oils...
Come on, you guys can't let this thread die!
Life drawing class where teacher allowed us to draw with any medium we wanted.....this case digital.
just some stuff i am including in my 6th term portfolio review for school...
what the heck
a hands study from today
Qualifies as life drawing....it's from life.
If possible, you might want to try your hands at opencanvas1, I feel like it would work like a charm in such an environnement.
More to come!