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UPDATE!:

So I'm doing a new thing because thats what you do. Keep doing new things and put them in your portfolio, until you get good.

So a while ago I saw this awesome illustration by Adrian Dadich and I thought hey that wold be a cool thing to do someday.
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And now its someday
The goal is for a next gen realtime character in UE4 (I'll be texturing in Toolbag2 to start, final posing/lighting/etc in UE4), along with her gun. and because I hate myself, I'll be giving her a bike (a leftover from my Petrol/Blood entry that i didnt finish) as well.

I'll also be pushing things a bit farther than whats in the concept, I'll be replacing her lower legs with cyborg enhancements.

Here's the current progress on the head:
Keyshot test:
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Zbrush:
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and the monocycle:
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There's still a ton of work to do but I think its time to share the progress and get some feedback. So as always if you see something is off and/or horrible lemme know.
Here's some of the reference I'll be using for the body.
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  • MrHobo
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    MrHobo polycounter lvl 13
    I mentioned that she is rigged and now I have proof!
    Ive been playing with light setups while I finish her gun. This isnt a final pose or anything but its enough for me to start thinking about lights.

    1eBTUHs.jpg
    8LstzRp.jpg
  • beefaroni
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    Sweeeeeeeeet! So close to final renders.
  • ArtisticTiger
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    Damn man this project is coming a really long way, going to be a beast for the folio:thumbup:.
  • BARDLER
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    Hey man this is looking really awesome! I was writing up some things to try to help with the lighting, but it was easier to just do a paintover, hopefully this helps.
    HBYebb0.jpg

    I think the biggest thing for the me is the composition and lack of a strong key light. My eye keeps wanting to go the strong hot highlight on the handles, and not to her face.

    So first thing i did was darkened down everything in the foreground, and fudged the FOV to make her face larger and more prominent in that top left third. I found those red blocks to be rather distracting for this shot, so I made them much smaller and just used them for a light color kick on her.

    For lighting I think making it more grounded and using a basic 3 point lighting setup for her face it will look a lot better. Her face is being lit from almost the back left side so the shadow is taking over the majority of the face. Also I think making the purple light a lot more subtle will help the key light look better and stronger in the scene.

    Not sure what stage you are with posing and rigging but getting a facial expression with some focused eyes will really help her come to life. If she is in a vehicle she might be looking around for somebody, being chased, chasing someone, which could help tell a story with her facial expression.

    Hope that helps! Keep killing it Charles.
  • Scruples
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    I like the first lighting for the face. The forearms look like they might have encountered some trouble from the twist bone when posing.

    Mh0diWC.jpg
  • SFNaden0802
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    Oh, great!
    Looking Good.
  • MrHobo
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    MrHobo polycounter lvl 13
    @beefaroni and ArtisticTiger and SFNaden0802 - Thanks guys

    BARDLER and Scruples, thanks a ton for the paintovers, keeping what you guys said in mind I think a cross between the 2 light setups might be the happy medium. Especially if I can pull in that neon blue as a rim light along the right side of the image. I might lean closer to the warmer setup for clarity and pull the in some parts from the cooler one for contrast and oomph. Thanks again.
  • MrHobo
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    Tool some time last night to finish the hi poly modeling for the gun, I'll e taking it into zbrush now for the detail parts, Im pretty happy with how the forms read right now.

    053Wdi6.jpg
  • MrHobo
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    Gun is done and decimated ready for baking... All it needs is a low poly :)
    Also liking the new layout on PC

  • razz
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    Well, this is incredible. Love how the character turned out.
    I kind of like how a lot of her is hidden in the shadows in the latest update. While it's not showing off the model fully, it does work well as an illustration. Agree on the rim light, though. Could be good to use one to separate the character from the background a little.
  • MrHobo
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    Thanks Razz,
    Agreed about the lighting, this wont even be the actual pose in the cycle. Im sorting through a bunch of ideas now on the best way to present her in the seat. I have put together a small mood board for the general character lighting though. Due to the fact that Im looking at 3 to 4 beauty shots in various poses, theres a lot of things I can try in terms of lighting and poses to really sell the character.


  • Bek
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    Looking forward to seeing the weapon finished and what pose you choose to show it off. That moodboard seems to ring pretty true with what Bardler said about a strong key light too — maybe the pose with the weapon will be ideal for that too (like the image in the bottom right corner). But I expect I'll see you playing around with that sort of thing in the hangouts. It also occurs to me that the weapon could be a good source of emissive light, or dare I even say it, lasers.
  • MrHobo
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    Yeah I think a strong keylight will be key across the board.
    The low poly on the gun is done, time for UVs and bake.. And textures... 
    I procrastinated on those UVs tonight and just fiddled with posing and post effects... These wont be used in the final beauty shots.
    Just seeing how far I could push TB2's post effects.Manga Style (With some balance in PS in the first one and straight outta TB2 on the second)-  
    And some of the post effects variations I saved off-

     
  • Deathstick
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    god damn it charles I love you.
  • MrHobo
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  • MrHobo
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    Gun is baked, normal ao and cavity, just under 6k tris.
    I'll be approaching the texturing in a similar fashion to how I handled the character; It's a maintained weapon. Its been used but it doesnt look like its been through hell and back.

  • Bek
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    It might not matter terribly once the textures are applied but the normal map banding is obvious at the moment, did you bake that sucker in 8bit? 16bit might be better for portfolio purposes (or 8 bit dithered for viewer... actually, I wonder if it reduced to 8 bit on export...)
  • MrHobo
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    @Bek I baked everything to an Object Space (8bit-targa) map then converted to a Tangent space. I dont remember the banding in the OS map, so maybe it was from the conversion? Im going to re-evaluate how the normal map holds up after the textures are done, and I down res to 2k. If necessary i'll rebake the normals in 16 bit, and then convert.

    @genius Thanks!
  • BARDLER
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    If you bake 16 bit and then go to 8 bit in PS it should fix that banding. You will get better dithering between values which will get rid of that stepping.
  • Bek
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    I'm actually not sure if an 8bit TS is comparable to an 8bit OS banding-wise, though I would expect it to be identical, hence I think the conversion likely caused it. Regardless, you can solve this mystery by baking an 8bit TS map and comparing it to the converted TS.

    Or you could just bake everything in 16bit forever and ever until the end of time. I think this makes the most sense workflow wise; it's probably recommended to let the engine handle the downsampling/dithering in most cases anyway (or doing more tricksy stuff like combining dithered and non-dithered maps as mentioned in the bit-depth and banding thread). It's occasionally even worth baking say a curvature map in 16bit if you're going to be using it for masking stuff and heavily abusing the levels adjustments (which I've found myself doing a lot in Substance Painter).
  • MrHobo
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    Rebaked to a 16bit tiff and then converted to a TS, every thing is sexy like butter on the beach.
    This is the clean material pass. I'll be doing labels and branding and then doing a wear/grit/decolorization pass after (and changing the leather grip under the barrel to rubber)... And then that should be it. then i can do final poses and lighting.


  • MrHobo
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    You hear that? Its the fat lady getting ready to sing.
    Now that Quixel 2 is out I'll break it in on the final gun work. In the mean time here's the poses Im torn between. I'll only be using 2 of these (and the cycle poses will be a different set), so which of these 3 is the weakest?

    These are the same poses just full body for context-

    and here are some stupid hi res shots:
    http://i.imgur.com/SDTVdzu.jpg
    http://i.imgur.com/aKx50X1.jpg
  • Sigmatron
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    This is some serious stuff. Nice character with great execution :)
  • willehrendreich
    fantastic stuff man! she looks great. reminds me a bit of Lucy Liu. 
  • MrHobo
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    Thanks guys,
    Lucy Lui was my reference :smile: 

  • Teessider
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    Hey charles! She is looking awesome dude :smiley: It's nice how the character has been developed! I think poses A & C have the most potential but saying that I'm leaning more towards pose C. I think it is the stronger silhouette of the two and it seems to suit the character better :) . But that is just my two cents ;) .
  • zetheros
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    Man, this is really cool. I'm getting a slight uncanny valley feel from her face though.



    (Green): I've noticed that eyes are actually remarkably small, and when you see photos of girls, their eyes oftentimes seem to be bigger than they really are, due to makeup, fake eyelashes, etc. The green portion is how much of the eye is actually showing; in this case it's almost twice as much.
    (Blue): Eyebrows are also great at being misleading, they can be in a variety of shapes, but are essentially icing on the cake; you want to look at the underlying skull/brow area. in my experience, the supraorbital margin is fairly flat, with just a slight curve.
    (Purple): Skin folds can end in some fairly sharp lines, and, while subtle, make a huge difference.

    Hope that helps... I'm trying to learn this stuff too. Female faces are the trickiest thing I've ever worked with...
  • MrHobo
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    @zetheros
    Thanks for the feedback but I think you may have confused the first post which is almost a year old (And pinned to the top of every page) with the final face sculpt. The head went through a bit more iteration and some changes to get a happy medium between the likeness the concept and what I wanted the final look to be in the end.
    I isolated the the current head and setup a some neutral lighting to give a better example- 
     

    You pointed out a lot of things that are spot on. Some of them like the eyes were intentional and other things are just due to the fact that this project is getting pretty old, but I will keep them in mind for upcoming projects. Thanks again!
  • MrHobo
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    Well time to hit that old dusty trail... by which I mean, this shit it done.
    Thanks everyone for all your help and crits over the course of this project.
    There are little things I could adjust here and there but it's time to move on.
    Ive uploaded Viewer files on Artstation as well- 
    https://www.artstation.com/artwork/n42Z4
    https://www.artstation.com/artwork/4alw1








  • Nuclear Angel
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    This is one of the best things I have seen lately. Congratz on finishing your piece. It turned out awesome. 
  • MrHobo
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    Thanks! Im happy its done as well. :)
  • pior
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    A lot of great stuff going on here ! And a very nice presentation. Congrats on wrapping it up !
  • erroldynamic
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    Congrats on finishing, looks badass.
  • Sabotage
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    Looks awesome, congrats on finishing.
  • MrHobo
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    Thanks everyone! I learned a lot and Im looking to apply it to my next project. :smile: 

  • mikezoo
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    Nice work! 

    You did a fantastic job of translating the concept to 3D. I really dig the renders of her and the Cycle. Its not often that character artists can pull off a character/vehicle combo in their presentation.

    Whatever you decided to accomplish for your next body of work, I would recommend working on another head. Looks like you made good momentum on  this previous head sculpt, so take that energy and push the next one you make to the next level! 
     
  • MrHobo
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    Thanks Mike!
    I learned a lot with this project and after a year Im itching to do something even better with all my momentum :smile: 

  • MrHobo
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    haha Thanks! Her arms are my favorite part I think.
  • beefaroni
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    Woot wooot!

    It's been fun to see you working on this in the hangouts and always trying to incorporate new workflows, techniques, and critiques into the piece. Definitely paid off in the end!
  • MrHobo
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    Thanks man! Learned a lot with this and I cant wait to roll that knowledge forward!
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