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I want to get better at hand painting textures, so I figured I would make a thread rather than clogging up the WAYWO thread with my progress. I've been working on some axes that were drawn by Max Davenport (Daven).

I used the concept as a plate to make the models but when it came to painting, I made a point to not use the eye dropper but to paint from the texture from scratch. I've made three of the five axes so far and I'm going to come back and do the other two once I work on some other stuff first.

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  • praetus
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    Concept I drew up for a few props

    desertProps.jpg

    Progress

    desertProps01.jpg
  • katana
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    katana polycounter lvl 14
    Your burning axe is your most successful piece so far. The middle axe doesn't have the range of dark to light and doesn't give a clear indication of where the light is coming from nor high points. The left one is better, but the handle needs more love.

    The cacti and rock show nice subtle brushstrokes in the concept...also not pushed far enough in range, but if you can duplicate the warm and fuzzy feeling, then i think you'll be successful in the 3D interpretation.
  • praetus
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    Thanks for the input katana. Once I finish this piece my goal is to go back and finish the other two axes in the concept. I figure when I do that I will also touch up the textures of the previously made axes as well. Some more progress on the desert props.

    desertProps02.jpg
  • praetus
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    Getting close to having this done. Hoping that once it is done I can try it out in sketchfab :)

    desertProps03.jpg
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  • Mark Dygert
    Good stuff, do more!
  • travisdreams
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    travisdreams polycounter lvl 6
    this is some good stuff! espeeeecially that axe, im diggin it! :D keep goin!
  • Illusive
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    nice work! love those axes :) as for your cactus props though I think you could put more work into some of the rocks (particularly the balancing ones) it sort of looks like it just has a texture thrown on without much thought
  • praetus
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    Still got some work to do on this but I figure it may be better off at this point to show the sketchfab and update it as I work on things.

    [sketchfab]d6NOHwmsf5Jd5VhhJTIS8oV6ZRq[/sketchfab]
  • Torch
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    Ohhh yeeeees :O desert props are very Wildstar :)
  • praetus
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    Some of the Wildstar concept art is what had inspired this. I don't have much organic props on my site as it is now anyways, so it seemed like a good pairing to try.
  • Jeff Parrott
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    Much improved! The cactus piece is really nice. Do more of that style!
  • katana
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    Very cute. Well done.

    Gotta love that SketchFab too...nice to be able to see it in turn around.

    Heck I even like your wireframe........:)
  • minorthreat
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    minorthreat polycounter lvl 7
    Wow this is perfect inspiration, I love your textures in the cactus scene, everything looks edible. XD
  • TaylorMouse
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    Nice, but you know, uploading to sketchfab allows everyone to download your textures?

    T.
  • praetus
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    Nice, but you know, uploading to sketchfab allows everyone to download your textures?

    T.

    It is upsetting to think that people would do that, however it is not going to stop me from showing off my work in the best possible way. I have textures posted on my website as well in full resolution and I always make sure my watermark (which is really just my website and e-mail) is unobtrusive and in the corner. I want people to see my work, not a watermark. People could steal those pretty easily too.

    People can rip models and textures out of games too. At the end of the day I would rather show off my work in a cool way that can impress people than worry about some asshat stealing my work and trying to pass it off.
  • katana
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    katana polycounter lvl 14
    Yep, that's the right attitude to have, besides what can they do with a texture sheet anyway?
  • Eliteabix
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    The real reward is in the process, even if these people rip your work they're missing out on the most important part. It certainly would be a shame if people were hesitant to upload texture sheets etc as I really enjoy seeing peoples workings/shortcuts/"nuances", that's the most interesting part for any artist/designer I think.

    Regardless, I love what youve shown, the axe to the far right has really nice flow, colours are great too apart from the glowy bit at bottom, it seems to be brighter/more yellow than the rest of the axe.
  • Benton
    Awesome, I really love your textures.

    Buuuuut....your normals are inverted.
    d6jZl9F.png
  • klamp
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    Really awesome! I love the style and the colors.

    Feel free to take it or leave it, but I think the sand could be bumped up a bit to help differentiate it from the rocks. Not too much, but just a bit. Right now I feel like the rocks are getting a bit lost in the sand - though maybe that's what you're going for.

    Anyway, a quick photoshop adjustment of your image to demonstrate what I'm talking about:

    NphpUe5.jpg

    Left is the original image, right is after adjustments.

    Good stuff though. Can't wait to see more!
  • klamp
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    klamp wrote: »
    Really awesome! I love the style and the colors.

    Feel free to take it or leave it, but I think the sand could be bumped up a bit to help differentiate it from the rocks. Not too much, but just a bit. Right now I feel like the rocks are getting a bit lost in the sand - though maybe that's what you're going for.

    Anyway, a quick photoshop adjustment of your image to demonstrate what I'm talking about:

    NphpUe5.jpg

    Left is the original image, right is after adjustments.

    Good stuff though. Can't wait to see more!

    Actually, nevermind that post. When looking at your model in the sketchfab viewer it looks like you already changed that. Oops!

    Anyway, looks great!
  • praetus
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    So, I went to update and it hosed up some of textures for opacity. Gotta shut it down for now cause its storming bad, but I'll be back later to fix it....:poly141:

    Edit - Fixed the issue with transparency and flipped normals, but I have to re-upload the file 4 times. One thing I don't like about Sketchfab (and it is about the only thing) is that you cannot re-upload through the Max plugins as it creates a new entry in your dashboard instead of replacing the old one. When I tried to manually do it it broke the entire mesh and now that file is unviewable. Should be more or less fixed now.
  • CordellC
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  • SaboR1996
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    teach us how to art like that
    would love to learn your texture creation techniques
  • praetus
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    arcanist.jpg

    Dicking around with some Final Fantasy XIV fan art. I really like the key art for the Arcanist so I'm going to try and get some diffuse painting done on her tomorrow if I have time. She's just shy of 5k.
  • praetus
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    arcanist001.jpg

    Really shouldn't have taken as long a break as I did from the last project. Also, probably should have actually studied hand painted characters more.
  • praetus
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    arcanist002.jpg

    Slow progress is slow. I guess that'll teach me to have a kid and think I'd still have plenty of time to get work done. :poly142:
  • Deathstick
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    That's the most interesting choice of t-pose I've seen o_O I have a feeling you might have issues with the shoulders distorting in a more relaxed/neutral pose.

    I loved that cactus scene, got me wishing for a roadrunner :D
  • praetus
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    Found some time to work on this again. Reworked some of the face geometry and got some more painting done.

    arcanist003.jpg
  • shrogg
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    A bit of critique for you :)

    You could probably drop the contrast on the ears a tad, They are currently dragging my eyes away from the rest of the figure, And it feels just a tad too symmetrical.

    Other than that, Im loving the hair/face/Neck piece, Gives me a sort of.. sciency vibe i guess.

    I cant wait to see what the finished piece will look like
  • cdavidson
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    looks cool. i really like that burning axe.

    ive always got a soft spot for hand painted stuff lol
  • praetus
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    shrogg wrote: »
    A bit of critique for you :)

    You could probably drop the contrast on the ears a tad, They are currently dragging my eyes away from the rest of the figure, And it feels just a tad too symmetrical.

    Other than that, Im loving the hair/face/Neck piece, Gives me a sort of.. sciency vibe i guess.

    I cant wait to see what the finished piece will look like


    Yeah, I haven't edited the ears yet but I see what you mean. I was trying to simulate translucency on the ear lobes but I may have blown it out a bit. I'll have to fiddle with it and see what I can get. As far as symmetry, it's a mirrored model on everything but the hair (and that is only in the back that it's asymmetrical) so I'm not sure how much that will change.

    I want to get back to work on environments but I had a bad habit of dropping projects when I'm halfway through, so I need to see this one through to completion. Also, forgive the fact that in the back shot it looks like the left hand is a baby hand. Perspective killed it.

    arcanist004.jpg
  • praetus
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    arcanist005.jpg

    Gonna get this rigged so I can start posing her. Probably going to add a book as well since it's the weapon in for the Arcanist class in FF:XIV
  • praetus
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    Crosspost from WAYWO thread...

    This was originally from the character challenge back in January. I decided to pick it up again since I hadn't finished it. Sculpted in ZBrush and I baked down the lighting information as a base. As of now it's just a diffuse map so I can practice painting. I should also mention it's not done yet as I'm working on hair now and have some other areas to touch up.

    I was somewhat inspired by seeing how the models were made for League of Legends, in that they sculpt most everything in ZBrush and then bake it down and paint over it. Watching how fast Josh Singh could knock out sculpts and apply large changes was pretty cool.

    FoxBaseMesh_012.jpg
  • praetus
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    FoxBaseMesh_013.jpg

    Pretty close to putting this one to bed. Going to make the sword next and then rig everything for posing.
  • praetus
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    Still have some work to do on the sword and of course rigging and posing the model. looking forward to getting this up on sketchfab when completed.

    MZzi8v0.jpg
  • praetus
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    So, it's been a while since I posted anything in here but I'm back to hand painted stuff for the time being. I'm currently working off a concept by Catell-Ruz. Here's the concept

    5K2ySZ0.jpg

    And here is where I am at so far

    nOOjuMF.jpg

    I plan on making a mini environment out of this with the intention that everything is 100% diffuse. I'm trying to not touch ZBrush as much and level up my texture skills. Mainly jumping between photoshop and 3d Coat. Let me know what you think and if there is anything that I am lacking.
  • Wendy de Boer
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    I think the stark color difference between the left side and the right side of the house in the concept cannot be captured with lighting alone, because the color change is done very stylistically. I would consider going a little crazy and actually painting it in the texture like that.
  • praetus
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    I had thought about that when I started but I have a question regarding that. Painting the shadows that drastically into the texture seems fine as a stand alone asset, but if I plan on making a small scene to complement it, would that still be ideal? I can think of situations where it would be beneficial (for instance a fixed camera perspective like Diablo) but if I plan on lighting several props in the scene would painting in that color shift work against me?
  • AtticusMars
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    It really depends on what you want and how much work you're willing to put in.

    Assuming you don't need fully dynamic lighting it's entirely possible to create an entire, complex scene with consistent lighting simply by giving everything unique UV space and painting it. (Another idea would be to create "shadow versions" or your textures and then either using additional geometry to 'cut in' shadows using basic texture blending or somehow use shadowmaps as a blend mask)

    Honestly that'd probably look the best too. But for a highly detailed, complicated scene that is almost an insurmountable amount of work.

    That said, to be perfectly honest I think you can probably get close enough with dynamic lighting. This concept has pretty intense fill color but the color is reasonably consistent. I set this up as a test with two directional lights:

    praetus_2015061000.jpg

    I had to eyeball the color because UE4s color picker is currently completley hosed. The main difference here is the shadow in the concept is a bit less saturated, but the hue and value are a close match. If you spent some time on it and added post processing I think you could get a closer result to the concept.
  • praetus
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    Thank you all for your comments. I really appreciate them. I'm going to try the lighting fix first (when I get to that point) and if that doesn't work I may try and apply some color shifts and edits manually to the texture. For now, I've made some progress.

    qYmDg61.jpg
  • Kid.in.the.Dark
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    Totaaaally jealous right now. Really wish I had found that concept to work with first LOL. Subbed (y)
  • praetus
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    VYi5xKj.jpg

    Some more progress. Pretty close to finishing the main building. Need to make cactus pots and barrels and a small scene to put it into.
  • Catell-Ruz
    Wow, this is just so amazing! Thank you so much for making this concept in 3D!
  • skyline5gtr
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    Nicely done sir
  • praetus
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    Catell-Ruz wrote: »
    Wow, this is just so amazing! Thank you so much for making this concept in 3D!

    I'm really glad you like it! :)

    Here's a small update with the barrels and cacti. I plan on touching up some of the texturing overall as well as painting the base and adding some small props and flora.

    BewYI3W.jpg
  • _Kratos_
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    Lovin the house so far...wanna see more progress :)
  • praetus
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    Catell-Ruz thanks for giving me permission to model it. I asked a while back through twitter and it took some time to get rolling, but I hope it lives up to the concept you posted.

    Thanks _Kratos_!

    Some lighting progress in marmoset and tweaked some of the texture sharpness. Next up is the base. I plan on making some rocks and desert flora to put down, as well as modeling the base up a bit so it isn't just a flat piece.

    BCLT7iw.jpg
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