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Sorry for bothering you with this simple question.

When I bake normal map use xNormal,I got seams on every uv borders.

I don't use any mirrored uv shells, and I have enough edge paddings. The direction of RGB channels have set correctly. And the map is linear color space.

What else could cause this problem and How to fix it?
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  • ZombieWells
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    ZombieWells polycounter lvl 12
    here is everything you need to know. Watch the video, you have your issue and solve there. Then read everything else! http://www.polycount.com/forum/showthread.php?t=107196
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  • vempdance
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    ZombieWells wrote: »
    here is everything you need to know. Watch the video, you have your issue and solve there. Then read everything else! http://www.polycount.com/forum/showthread.php?t=107196

    Thanks for the reply.
    In fact I have already read this thread and it dosen't solve my problem. And I also googled a lot to find the solution, but all of them are the situation that I write in the first post and does not match mine.So I ask here.
    Thank you again.:)
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  • peanut™
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    peanut™ polycounter lvl 19
    From what im reading have you tried to bakejump from an other platform ?

    not that it's unthinkable but if padding is enable and creates problem try from 3dsmax or maya instead of xnormal and see if there's some improvement. At least that's what i would do.
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  • AlecMoody
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    AlecMoody ngon master
    You should post pictures. Having an extremely subtle seam where you have a split is really common but in practice it shouldn't be visible. If you have something more than that there is a workflow issue.
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  • vempdance
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    peanut™ wrote: »
    From what im reading have you tried to bakejump from an other platform ?

    not that it's unthinkable but if padding is enable and creates problem try from 3dsmax or maya instead of xnormal and see if there's some improvement. At least that's what i would do.

    Ah，my computer is not so good so loading a high polymesh into maya always make her refuse to work:(...
    Thanks:thumbup:
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  • vempdance
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    AlecMoody wrote: »
    You should post pictures. Having an extremely subtle seam where you have a split is really common but in practice it shouldn't be visible. If you have something more than that there is a workflow issue.

    Sure, I should have post the picture.Sorry for not doing that.
    ZGKXY8n.png
    It is very little, and won't be recognized until I zoomed in a lot.
    The next picture is from a higher distance.Sorry that I don't draw the red circle at the right position, the seam is at the very right inside the red circle.
    IPQHJ0Q.png

    And this is what normal map looks like in the border place.(At the top of the UVed place)
    2ClA8XI.png

    Is this what you mean "subtle seam"? Is it means that this can't be solved in theory, but it is very difficult to be recognized in prectice so we just ignore it?
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  • Zezeri
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    Zezeri
    Do you have hard edges on all of your UV Borders?
    Also, show pictures :)

    Where do you view the normals?
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  • EarthQuake
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    EarthQuake mod
    Generally, there will always be a seam if you zoom in far enough. This looks like you're zoomed in like 50x farther than you should be. What does the full asset look like and what is the intended viewing distance?
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  • vempdance
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    Zezeri wrote: »
    Do you have hard edges on all of your UV Borders?
    Also, show pictures :)

    Where do you view the normals?

    Yes I have tried that and doesn't work.

    I view it in marmoset toolbag 2.

    Thanks
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  • vempdance
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    EarthQuake wrote: »
    Generally, there will always be a seam if you zoom in far enough. This looks like you're zoomed in like 50x farther than you should be. What does the full asset look like and what is the intended viewing distance?

    This is the picture from a higher distance. It seems a new lighting error appears.
    gOhlhvT.png
    The seam is at the right side of the light area, the left side does not have a seam.
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  • EarthQuake
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    EarthQuake mod
    In TB2, make sure to set the tangent space in mesh properties to where you baked the map, in this case xnormal/mikktspace
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    EarthQuake wrote: »
    In TB2, make sure to set the tangent space in mesh properties to where you baked the map, in this case xnormal/mikktspace

    Yes, I've already set that.
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  • EarthQuake
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    Not sure if this is your final uv layout, and it probably won't help your seam issue, but if you clamp the edges of your uvs to be straight rather than curved the normal map will look a lot better, you'll get rid of all those aliased edges. You only need 1 row of pixels to draw a straight line, but an angled or curved line needs at least two.
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  • vempdance
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    EarthQuake wrote: »
    Not sure if this is your final uv layout, and it probably won't help your seam issue, but if you clamp the edges of your uvs to be straight rather than curved the normal map will look a lot better, you'll get rid of all those aliased edges. You only need 1 row of pixels to draw a straight line, but an angled or curved line needs at least two.

    I tried that, and yes it doesn't help:poly124:.
    Thanks.
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  • WarrenM
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    WarrenM
    Well, SOMETHING must be wrong, dude. :) I mean ... if you've tried everything suggested above and it all checks out then I think you've reached the limits of what the internet can offer.
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  • AlecMoody
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    Best debug practice would be to bake to object space and evaluate your object space normals on the model. If the problem persists, you know you have a projection issue. If the problem goes away, the issue is related to tangent space, precision, or how your mesh is set up.
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    AlecMoody wrote: »
    Best debug practice would be to bake to object space and evaluate your object space normals on the model. If the problem persists, you know you have a projection issue. If the problem goes away, the issue is related to tangent space, precision, or how your mesh is set up.

    The object sapce normal map still shows the seam.

    my work flow of baking is like this(in maya):
    1.I triangulared my low mesh,made all edges to soft edge,and exported it out.
    2.Load high mesh as a reference, edited the low mesh vetexs to cover the high mesh, then exported it as cage.
    3.Load high mesh,low mesh and cage into xNormal, set mesh scale to 10, map size to 2K, edge padding to 16, then use OpenRL renderer to bake.(I aslo tried the default bucket renderer but get the same resault.)

    What may have caused the projection issue?
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  • Neox
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    Neox veteran polycounter
    the first thing to lift the quality up would be to straighten those UVs that small seam is a smaller issue than all those pixels you can clearly see
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  • vempdance
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    Neox wrote: »
    the first thing to lift the quality up would be to straighten those UVs that small seam is a smaller issue than all those pixels you can clearly see

    Ah, that is because these are test bakings so I don't care of it.When come to the final maps I will turn on the antialising to get a better looking.
    Thanks.
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  • AlecMoody
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    AlecMoody ngon master
    If you want, you can email me an FBX of your lowpoly model and your object space normals and I can tell you why this is happening. The highpoly for that specific section might also help.
    alecmoody@gmail.com
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    AlecMoody wrote: »
    If you want, you can email me an FBX of your lowpoly model and your object space normals and I can tell you why this is happening. The highpoly for that specific section might also help.
    alecmoody@gmail.com

    I've already send a email.
    Thanks!:thumbup:
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