http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet...amp;id=5972446

for anyone wanting to try it out here is it. i have been using it for a little while and i am happy with this release. stability is great, i have been torture testing it and tho it does hang everynow and then, like maya, it eventually chugs through it . personally i have not had a crash yet. so all you maya guys need to find something new to dis on max users for.