Originally Posted by David-J

So what elements of the American culture are creating these type of crimes? What kind of people are susceptible of committing those kinds of crimes, etc. I believe that is where more attention and money should be spent.

This goes to almost exactly what I am complaining about. I can't speak to the cultures or education of other countries, but here in America, everyone is told that they are a precious little snow flake at a young age. You can be anything you want. And the fact is, sometimes life doesn't work out that way. And for some people all they want in life is a little bit of recognition. Something that harkens back to when they grew up and were told that they could be a doctor. Or an astronaut. Or a famous actor or musician.

And sometimes you just don't make it. You're not going to get into space, or be in a blockbuster movie, but you can still be famous on the five o clock news.

This whole situation makes me sick. I don't know anyone from that area, but my heart goes out to all the families that are lessened because of these events. It's just incredibly stupid senseless violence.

The one thing that surprised me more than anything else is that the cops captured this guy alive.

Gun control won't solve anything, it'll just give the nuts "easier targets"... Crazy people WILL ALWAYS HAVE GUNS, no matter what law you throw at them... your not supposed to have explosives.... yet this 24 year old nutbag had them? along with many rifles and other weapons. Stop with the gun control crap, it wouldn't help anything.

Yep, say what you want, but that kind of slaughters and school killings mostly happen in countries where gun laws are permissive : USA/Canada/Finland...

I agree that it's more a cultural issue than directly the gun sales but saying that USA has no issue with weapons is a bit light imo.

Thank you media for giving this man EXACTING what he wanted. FAME.

Asking a kid what they want to be when they grow up, most kids these days will respond with famous, or rich. Hes living his dream, hes the most well know person rite now.

So in his world he won, and as per usual we all just failed. We failed to see that we gave him what he wanted and showed other psychopaths that they too can be famous just like him.

i dont think he's thinking that right now tbh, i think right now he's being "taken care of" by the FBI because they're involved, they're gonna try to find out where he got the weapons and the explosives and what no one else has mentioned HE KNEW WHEN THE SMOKE AND ACTION WAS GOING TO BE ON SCREEN!! HOW DID HE KNOW EXACTLY WHEN BECAUSE TEAR GAS GRENADES TAKE A SECOND TO FILL THE ROOM AND YET HE THREW THEM AT THE PERFECT TIME TO FILL IT UP JUST LIKE ON THE SCREEN!!!!! I honestly believe that since he didnt kill himself or get killed by the cops, he's going to be "very well taken care of"

Question to you "gun control won't solve anything" people... What does a law abiding citizen need a gun for?

Hunting? Have the police station not give away a license until that persons has gone through mental evaluation and a gun handling course.

Shooting on a range as a hobby? Have the person go through the same mental evaluation and have him provide records of his range shooting hobby.

Would these extra measures of gun control really limit your freedom to own a gun too much if it could bring down the amount of mass murders done with firearms?

@Bigjohn - Don't act like Russia,China or any other country would have even close the amount of guns as the US...

TOP 5 most money spent on military expenses 2010

To assume that someone who is wired this way in the head is doing it purely for fame is so strange.

While its a possibilty that his perception of fame could be as something of great value I think its not the most likely thing. I'm no criminal psychologist but id imagine that they have a different set of rules and values.

a law abiding citizen needs a gun to protect themselves if they're not hunting, and im not talking about having a concealed weapons permit and carrying the gun around, im talking about when someone breaks into your home and tries to kill you or rape your family members, children, anything like that, that's when you need a gun to protect you and your family, i have many guns, i have been through gun safety courses and i know the consequences what happens when you point a gun at something, i also know it's a good idea to not point a gun at anything you dont plan on shooting, education will help but what would really help is like i said earlier, more people to help these kinds of people

Originally Posted by Thegodzero

Thank you media for giving this man EXACTING what he wanted. FAME.

Asking a kid what they want to be when they grow up, most kids these days will respond with famous, or rich. Hes living his dream, hes the most well know person rite now.

So in his world he won, and as per usual we all just failed. We failed to see that we gave him what he wanted and showed other psychopaths that they too can be famous just like him.

It takes more than just wanting to be famous to do this. Just like it takes more than just owning a gun. I'd love to get my 2 days of media fame, does that mean i blow up my local cinema, of course not!

Besides, even if you tried to avoid giving him this "fame" it's no longer possible to avoid. When an injured victim from the incident is posting images of his wounds online mere hours after the event what do you propose to do?

Originally Posted by dpaynter26

im talking about when someone breaks into your home and tries to kill you or rape your family members, children, anything like that, that's when you need a gun to protect you and your family

Does this happen a lot ? Looks to me that's marketing based on fear.
I bet there's more risk that a kid find a weapon and shoots someone playing with it. It happened here not long ago.

^^ Are you kidding me? I'm not even going to respond to your comment if you dont know how often things like that happen

well, no, i'm not kidding. I've never seen anyone entering my house and rape my dog, but i might be lucky.

this isnt a joke, i wasnt talking about raping dogs, if you want to make jokes go to another thread, i didnt start this thread to argue about gun control, i started this thread to inform everyone about what has happened

Originally Posted by Noors

Yep, say what you want, but that kind of slaughters and school killings mostly happen in countries where gun laws are permissive : USA/Canada/Finland...

Right...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/23/wo...pagewanted=all

Norway, the world's gun capital. Come'on now man... shootings happen everywhere. There are batshit crazy people everywhere. I would argue that the fact your countries are smaller, with better social services, that's really what's helping. And it's not even "solving" anything. There are still shootings. There are people here in the US that make the claim that it's "city life" that's causing this. People are all in each other's business all the time, and you don't see this kind of stuff in the more rural areas. The explanations are endless.

Even the social-class one doesn't make sense. Sometimes it's poor people, sometimes it's socal well-offs who are about to be doctors, like in this case. Who knows...

Practicing martial arts until you are able to dodge bullets is my solution to this non-sense.
Come on, do we really need a gun to protect ourselves?

Originally Posted by Mithdia

@Bigjohn - Don't act like Russia,China or any other country would have even close the amount of guns as the US...

TOP 5 most money spent on military expenses 2010

You're missing the point. Of course Russia and Pakistan don't have as many guns. They just make them. They sell it to other countries, like the US.

The point was that even if you ban guns altogether in the US, manufacturing, buying, everything, with a life sentence to those involved, I could still get you any gun you want from such places as Russia and Pakistan. I'm from the middle-east, I know how things are over there.

My point is trying to stop guns is like trying to stop any kind of technology. You can't. It exists, people will build it.


Also, military spending has nothing to do with this. And I would agree, it needs to be slashed down to nothing. But that's an irrelevant point here.

wasabi, like i just said to noors, if you want to make jokes, find another thread

Idk why we are even talking about this, people just lost their lives, and the people who survived are affected with this for the rest of their lives, and we are arguing about gun control. :/

gun control will have no effect at all.

lets look at other illegal and banned things in the states, such as drugs, im pretty sure i can buy some coke anywhere in the country, if i wanted too, so with tighter gun restrictions why wouldn't it be the same for that.

that's what im trying to say johnny, people are in here arguing and I've said it three times or more, i made this thread to inform people about what happened, not to argue about gun control, granted i have fueled the fire, but making jokes about this is not right at all

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Originally Posted by Skillmister

It takes more than just wanting to be famous to do this. Just like it takes more than just owning a gun. I'd love to get my 2 days of media fame, does that mean i blow up my local cinema, of course not!

Besides, even if you tried to avoid giving him this "fame" it's no longer possible to avoid. When an injured victim from the incident is posting images of his wounds online mere hours after the event what do you propose to do?

Of course it takes more than just wanting to be famous it takes not giving a shit about anyone else and wanting to be famous.
As for what to do when shit like shit happens, pay attention to the people harmed by it and help them. Get rid of the guy who did it(kill/jail) and let researchers delve into why he did it and who he was. Not the news who only care about keeping you watching them so they get more ad revenue. You see someone hurt you remove the threat and help them. Once the threat is gone you continue to help them.

Hmmm i guess the real problem is were a species of hunters therefore we all only really care about the hunter not the victim so well always be drawn to the person who did the killing not the people killed. We want to know how and why so that we can learn from it to become better hunters.

Its a real tragedy with what happened, I wish the families of the victims the best through these hard times.

Even though it was really bad with what happened I wish people would have some more common sense. I manage a movie theater in North Carolina and I have people sending in emails telling us that they are not coming unless we have more security. Even the damn local news coming down asking questions about our security and how safe we feel. Oh and the owners are having a meeting with the local police chief as I type this. If a shooting happens a gas station 300 miles away would you call your local gas station and demand higher security. Some people are in a panic for whatever reason.

So that's why there were like 4 police cars in front of the mills theater as I left last night.

Originally Posted by dpaynter26

wasabi, like i just said to noors, if you want to make jokes, find another thread

Its the internet- If you don`t like it, go do something else.