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kremrhi 10-15-2012 05:50 PM

[Dota2]-Shadow Shaman - Potion Maker
 
Hi

so as My first choice of nature prophet was not in the list

I reported my attention on shadow shaman, to make him as a potion maker

last update :
http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/59...2EE1571135D8B/

ellisq 10-15-2012 06:32 PM

Natures Prophet isnt available, check the list :| http://www.polycount.com/dota2polycountcontest

kremrhi 10-15-2012 06:56 PM

NOOOOOOOOOOO
crap

So I guess I come back soon with another idea

rorozilla 10-17-2012 06:36 PM

really!? how come they would put him on the page! I'm so disappointed! lol.. I'v been working at a concept for 2 days now!

Hahah I was wondering why nobody picked him! i thought i was all original! Good thing i stumble upon your page... i was waiting for a more completed concept before submitting... :C

Spudnik 10-18-2012 01:37 AM

@rorozilla:
Nature's Prophet already has too many item sets. Always check this page for heroes may or may not do.

kremrhi 10-19-2012 11:50 AM

1 Attachment(s)
AAAAnd ...
my badass concept

kremrhi 10-20-2012 06:54 PM

The Zbrush fun is starting
Here is the progress so far on the hat.

http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/o/20...f39eab83d5.jpg

Sith Happens. 10-20-2012 09:51 PM

Looking pretty sweet!

kremrhi 10-21-2012 01:33 PM

Thank you Austin

Here is a big bottle of potion that will be used as off hand weapon

http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/o/20...015919f66c.jpg

DD-best-D 10-21-2012 01:47 PM

Alchemist is the hero constantly mixing and making potions.
Witch Doctor is the hero who's flings his cask around at people.

So you decide to do this instead to nature's profit/shadow shaman.

Why? Please reread the rules next time, here is a link to the heroes mentioned in this thread.
http://www.dota2.com/workshop/requirements/Alchemist
Constantly concocting potions.
http://www.dota2.com/workshop/requirements/Witch_Doctor
Uses his cask to paralyze his enemies.

or

http://www.dota2.com/workshop/requir.../Shadow_Shaman
Raised by a con man pretending to do magic
http://www.dota2.com/workshop/requir...atures_Prophet
Protector of the forest.

Why did you go with the ones that have no relation to potions at all?

kremrhi 10-21-2012 05:47 PM

good question

Maybe I should tell you how I choose my character.

I tried Dota 2 few weeks only before the contest went in, and I played a bit long time ago when it was only a mode. But I have to confess I wasn't and still am not a lore fanatic.
So when the contest start even I had played few games, I didn't know most of the heroes of the list, this end up with me switching to the other page and choosing a hero wich wasn't in the list (silly me). After finally picking a hero from his thumbnail and verifying that this on was on the list, I read the lore of the character and brainstormed few ideas.
I started and show the WIP of my work to the few persons I know who play Dota since the early beta. And I never get some comments saying that my set was inapropriate.
But the lore on the page of my character never say "YOU STUPID, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE SOMETHING WITH POTION DON'T CHOOSE THIS HERO, OR WE WILL UNLEASH ON YOU OUR LORE FANATIC ARMIE"
So indeed this may not be the best hero for something with potion, and I humbly apologize for not knowing the lore of every last character of this game that have around 100 heroes.

If I have time to do another set after this one, I will try to spend more time on my research.

At my turn I would like to ask you a question. As you seems to be quite a lore lover, and did an account to check if people were respectuous of the Dota universe. Why don't you make a page for polycount artist with a fast resume of what is the essence of each of the heroes ?

DD-best-D 10-21-2012 06:05 PM

Oddly almost each hero's nick name is like a summary of that hero, windrunner, silencer, anti mage.

http://www.dota2.com/heroes/

Is the listing of all the heroes, currently 92 in total.
Most heroes only have a paragraph for their lore, some a whooping two paragraphs.
That can be quite a daunting read for some, but it's quite entertaining.

On a side note, I've always wondered how some book to movie adaptions turn out so bad.
After reading your post, now I think I understand.
Thanks and best of luck in the competition.

Lennyagony 10-21-2012 06:24 PM

Sculpts are looking killer kremrhi!

JGcount 10-22-2012 03:15 PM

Dat bottle! Shiiiieeeet. Keep going man

Beezow 10-22-2012 05:01 PM

Consider:


he uses his weapons to shoot magical discs. It doesnt make any sense at all to have him shoot magical discs from a spoon and a bottle. (Animation would also look silly since he holds the two sticks up most of the time)

Note that I'm not saying somethings wrong with the concept, just that it's not going to work/make sense since these are his weapons.

kremrhi 10-22-2012 05:22 PM

@ Lennyagony and JGcount : Thanks for the kind word

@ Beezow : Quite a good point. I will check again what move the shaman have and if it make no sense I will replace the two weapon for something that fit better. (If it's the case I will probably put the bottle in the belt objects) Thanks for the feedback.

foeffa 10-24-2012 01:25 PM

Good luck, I was really digging your work so far. :)

kremrhi 10-26-2012 11:43 AM

So after beezow's comment I had to rethink a bit my weapon concept.
As it didn't really make sense to shoot magic from a spoon.
So he needed at least one weapon (after watching the moves I think the off hand weapon can still not necessarly be strictly just a weapon).
So I made a wand and for fitting with my theme it will get a magic illuminescent potion, and use the shape of the snake to be close to the character last power.

So here is the WIP, I will pass it soon in zbrush
http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/o/20...0ae56064c3.jpg

kremrhi 10-28-2012 08:17 PM

So as ugly 3dsmax screenshots don't seems to please anyone...
Here is the High Res Model.


http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/o/20...8fd918b1c4.jpg

kremrhi 11-03-2012 07:06 AM

Quick update on some elements that will be attached to the backpack
http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/o/20...a8b9664b7f.jpg
http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/o/20...dfba79dc56.jpg

kremrhi 11-03-2012 05:48 PM

Still some objects that will be after his backpack
http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs71/o/20...155e4f9d4b.jpg

kremrhi 11-04-2012 06:48 PM

The backpack, his potion saucepan and the potion book
The spam of zbrush model will soon finish as the Zjob is nearly over.

Hope you like it

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/o/20...425e91f096.jpg
http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/o/20...61cc4015ba.jpg
http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/o/20...3cf1258754.jpg

BrontoThunder 11-04-2012 11:00 PM

These sculpts are looking really nice and clean.

Can't wait to see that backpack all finished :D

Jindor 11-05-2012 07:07 AM

looks way better now, didn't like the weapons in the first concept, but that is a lot better.

About the book you designed, some dota lore for you. There is a demon language, but Shadow Shaman doesn't use it. He however much like Witch Doctor uses some weird language Examples being:
  • Moto Keyeyanna yaya, toyka yameh.
  • Neia teia an da ka!
Maybe incoperate that on the book cover instead of the demon head? Or you could hint at his story:
Born in the Bleeding Hills, Rhasta was just a starving youngling when picked up by a travelling con-man. For two pins of copper, the old con-man would tell your fortune. For three, he’d castrate your pig, for five, he’d circumcise your sons. For a good meal, he’d don his shaman garb, read from his ancient books, and lay a curse upon your enemies. His strange new youngling, part hill trowle, part…something else, worked as assistant and lent an air of the exotic to the con-man’s trade.

Always one step ahead of cheated customers, one town ahead of a pursuing patronage, the two trekked across the blighted lands until one day the con-man realized that the little youngling could actually do what he only pretended at. His ward had a gift—a gift that customers valued. And so the youngling Rhasta was thrust before the crowds, and the trade-name Shadow Shaman was born. The two continued from town to town, conjuring for money as Shadow Shaman’s reputation grew. Eventually, the pair’s duplicitous past caught up with them, and they were ambushed by a mob of swindled ex-clients. The con-man was slain, and for the first time, Rhasta used his powers for darkness, massacring the attackers. He buried his beloved master, and now uses his powers to destroy any who would seek to do him harm.



So a refrence to the con-man or just some coins on the cover, because they tricked people and the short story on what the con-man did when you gave him one/three/... coins?


Yeah I love small details in games ;)

kremrhi 11-05-2012 03:09 PM

thanks BrontoThunder

Thanks Jindor, I quite like your idea to bring the coin on the book and will probably modify it in this direction. And for the weird language that Rhasta and the witch doctor speak do you know if Valve did a writing form of it, or if some object could have some of this language in writing form.


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