Revolver thingie

[Pedro Amorim]

Here's a gun i did.

I was bullied into making a thread for it! I didn't wanted it to! :(
Damn cyber bullies! I'm looking at you EQ! I'll send you polack to your house!

Anywho..
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Copied from my blog post.
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This is a new piece I am working on at the moment.
In between 3d works, I managed to make this revolver. So far I only made the hipoly. I plan to make the lowpoly soon and then the textures. Hopefully the textures will look like the the render I have going on now.
So, some info about this piece. This model is based on a concept revolver by concept artist Timur Mutsaev (Principal Concept Artist at Crytek). The concept for this revolver lacked some ironsights so I decided to model a laser pointer that you can get in stores and tape it to the barrel for some added looks.
Hopefully it will look great when it’s in gameart form.

http://blog.edgesize.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/big.jpg

[EarthQuake]

I learned everything I know from Pedro.

Oh wait, I think that's the other way around.

[Pedro Amorim]

I learned everything I know from Pedro.

Oh wait, I think that's the other way around.

QFT!

[Adam L. Gray]

Whoo, go pedro! It's looking good so far, so no crits from my side :)

Shake n bake!

[EarthQuake]

In all serious though, the laser pointer is an excellent touch. Its that extra added bit of interest on what was an otherwise boring, yet well executed concept. Its a great example of how to add a little bit of character to an asset like this, and get past the "Meh boring gun" feel.

[Pedro Amorim]

Yeah man! I think when doing 3d for one self this is stuff people should do. Add bits of interesting stuff. Like when we were kids and made guns and other stuff from completely random objects. I guess 3d is cool for that. being able to imagine and improvise stuff.

Also, some pics.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/93793/Revolver/5.png


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/93793/Revolver/6.png
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/93793/Revolver/11.png

this was the inside of the cilinder before i changed it.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/93793/Revolver/shot_210255.png

then i changed it to this.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/93793/Revolver/shot_210333.png
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/93793/Revolver/shot_205451.png
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/93793/Revolver/shot_205508.png
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/93793/Revolver/shot_205642.png

tape
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/93793/Revolver/t1.png
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/93793/Revolver/t2.png
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/93793/Revolver/t3.png

[konstruct]

Nice mooodlin :)

Im not really feeling on the keychain on the laser pointer. I feel if someone was going to geri-rig something like that, they would pull that part off because it would get caught in all the mechanisms and whatnot.

It does add visual interest though- maybe swap it out for some sort of functional looking geri-rig.

[EarthQuake]

Its cool, and I mean really lets be honest, on the scale of unrealistic video game gun crap, this rates pretty low.

[dustinbrown]

haha, true. Chainsaw guns anyone?

Nice work Pedro. You going to use alpha planes for the little chain?

[EarthQuake]

Alpha would be a bad choice here, its a FPV weapon, so he'll have enough geometry to just model the thing. It will be seen close up enough that alpha would look bad. In often cases, alpha isn't going to save you any performance either, because:

A. you're adding extra texture memory
B. adding an extra draw call
C. adding a crapy alphatest material which is fast, but looks like ass, or using alpha blend which is slow, and can be pretty unreliable with alpha sorting etc.

Replacing geometry with alpha is only really a good idea when you have some old hardware that is faster dealing with alphatest than it is a little extra geometry, which would never have a highres normal mapped asset to begin with. Or, in the case where the geometry count would just be way too high, like grates on a tiling floor texture.

In addition to all of that, an alpha plane for the keychain would be viewed at an acute angle in FPV and look flat, and limit the animation possibilities.

[jackalope]

This is awesome!
I have two comments, you said "The concept for this revolver lacked some ironsights" you might know this, but it is fairly common for this type of revolver not to have the rear sites that people are used to.

Second, is I hope in the final textures the laser does not look like it is made out of the same material as the revolver.

I love this piece though, nice job!

[Blaizer]

Use the amount polygons you need for the low poly version, don't go very low poly and avoid alphas.

As i said in the Waywo thread, great work!

Expecting to see soon the baked model :) go go Pedro!

[Pedro Amorim]

i love you all!

[BARDLER]

My only critic would be to texture the laser pointer black with maybe only a chrome head or ring. Personally I have never seen a chrome laser pointer, and making it black would be easier to recognize what it is.

Damn good job on the model though.

PS. Nice avatar :p

[EarthQuake]

Its just a highpoly render guys, I dont think its meant as the final materials =P

[Neo_God]

Fucking Clean!

It also looks accurate enough to me, but I'm not one of those gun lunatics who'll tell you the unseen bevel on the inside of the chamber is inaccurate.

[Pedro Amorim]

This was my main inspirattion btw.
http://www.my-batteries.net/images/laserpoint/red-laser-pointer-with-key-chain.jpg

thanks for the comments guys.. keep em' coming! i feed on this stuff!!! ololl

[bbob]

this is looking so fecking ace.. I love you

[Pedro Amorim]

this is looking so fecking ace.. I love you

no no no I love you!

[XenoKratios]

Damn this makes me want to learn modo!

This is sex

[dustinbrown]

EarthQuake's epitaph is going to say "don't be stingy with the geometry" or something along those lines.

I absolutely see what you mean in this case, you made good points. But lets say you have stanchions with chains linking them. Would those chains usually get modeled? Ceiling lamps hanging from chains....modeled? These are things that would be instanced, rather than a closeup hero prop like a FPS gun.

Pedro, I agree about the laser pointer color. I'd make it black or some other color so it's obvious that it's not part of the barrel.

[Oniram]

that tape is just.... wow

rest of the gun is great too. :D

[Racer445]

if he textures it well it then there should be no need for changing the material.

everybody should tkae from this the fact that tape only works in 3d art when it has a purpose, like holding a flashlight or laser pointer on or something. slapping it on just whatevs looks stupid.

oh, and the model is good too. :)

[Kitteh]

Tape is awesome. Modeling wrinkly/soft stuff in regular subd without sculpting it is fun :D

[Orgoth02]

This looks really good man. Super clean. I did notice 2 things that are not really correct though.

http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo130/orgoth02/1196066051782167072copy.jpg

[Kitteh]

This looks really good man. Super clean. I did notice 2 things that are not really correct though.

http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo130/orgoth02/1196066051782167072copy.jpg

IIRC it's not a real gun

[erik!]

Cool!
Do you have a job? If you don't, would you like one? :D

[gibson543]

:0 job offer right in the thread!!! shit... great job man.. I'll have a fun time studying your wires, and seriously your renders are insane

[EarthQuake]

I absolutely see what you mean in this case, you made good points. But lets say you have stanchions with chains linking them. Would those chains usually get modeled? Ceiling lamps hanging from chains....modeled? These are things that would be instanced, rather than a closeup hero prop like a FPS gun.


Yeah like I said, there are instances where the complexity of the alpha would mean way too much geometry, and in those cases its good to use. Small chains and that sort of thing would be a good example.

[Pedro Amorim]

http://edgesize.com/captures/grab_205447.jpg
Doing some test bakes and whatnot.

oh. also, what you see in this pic is 4130 trycicles.
I need to figure out how to do the tape. or something.

[Jeremy Tabor]

What you see in this pic is 4130 trycicles.

Sorry man, just not seein it. :P

Lookin cool tho.

[Cap Hotkill]

Looking nice pedro, is the small screw near the trigger a bit bend? It could be caused by the cage when you bake the normals.

[Pedro Amorim]

yeah. looks like it's a bit skewed. I wil fix later, this is the purpose of test bakes. to see what needs to be fixed. and what parts i can remove.

[Pedro Amorim]

Robat: I checked your site and noticed you were doing a Erykah Badu bust. You better not fuck it up! I love her! Don't ruin her for me!

[Jeremy Tabor]

Ahaha. Just for you, sir.

But I have a zealous affinity for laser pointers and revolvers, so... here's lookin at you, dude.

But yea. I agree. she got a cool face. I'll do my best. http://www.polycount.com/forum/images/smilies/pcount/icons/poly120.gif

[Pedro Amorim]

ZOMG update!
Using a 2048*1024 texture. I need to make AO and then start texture, so yeah. good times.
http://edgesize.com/captures/grab_195009.jpg

[Cooljay]

This is boss. I love the detail on this.

[GoodDreams]

I get that it's not a 'real' gun but it's kind of jarring visually when there's no ejector for the cylinder, thats what the piece is on the left side that was pointed out earlier. You've just got a sticker or something on there instead.

[Pedro Amorim]

In these types of revolvers the cylinder gets ejected by pulling the front pin backwards (the one under the barrel)

[Grimm_Wrecking]

eets old school revolver.

So, Pedro...we get to see wires? :poly111:

[Pedro Amorim]

Sure thing.
http://edgesize.com/captures/grab_201248.jpg

[tonysladky]

Ouch. I've clearly got waaaaay more work ahead of me before the revolver I'm working on can show its face around here...

[rasmus]

Beautiful modeling, looking forward to textures (btw, odd hard edge on the handleside thumb groove)

[Pedro Amorim]

Oh, the smothing on the above pic is from inside modo. I baked in max and used the textools smoothgroups by uv to make my smoothing. I just posted this pic to show the wires.

[Rens]

sweetstuff, you wasted that one tri over there though. better start over.
Looking forward to the texture man.

[Pedro Amorim]

rens you crazy :P olololol.I wish this forum had a like system for posts like facebook has. ahaha

[Jon Rush]

Looks great! Nice translation to the low poly from the high. I actually like the chain hanging off of the laser pointer - gives it character! :)

[r_fletch_r]

Man, this is looking really sweet. That normal bake is just about perfect.

[Stromberg90]

Looks sweet.
I dont have anything usefull to say.... sooo, looking forward to the texture :)

[killnpc]

beautiful work.

[Pedro Amorim]

Do we like?
http://edgesize.com/captures/WeLike.jpg

[beancube]

me likey very much!

[EarthQuake]

sucks. balls.
stick it in ur pip

[Sebeuroc]

Looking beautiful, mate!

[sltrOlsson]

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1415501/PolycountPictures/InsultedByEQ.png

Love it!

[Sam Hatami]

red is moaarrr, my eyes,...burn.... /hurt

I lub u pedro.

[Pedro Amorim]

LOLOL nice meme! ahaha
http://cdn.wg.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/joffrey-clap.gif

[r_fletch_r]

looks fecking awesome man. I love the scuff marks
The revolver metal looks a bit too glossy to my eye. If the reflection was blurrier and stronger at 0 degrees it might help it along.

[Super Happy Cow]

thats very shiny

[perna]

wait, you had a thread for this all along? why did you keep sending me pics on skype you fool... I bet you were afraid that I would share my ownage feedback in public.

I like the wood part (except the specular sucks)

The metal is uninspired, just pasting an overlay without even editing it so you get all sorts of weirdness. You make these nice meshes and ruin them with textures, what gives...

oh I guess this is what you wanted to avoid by talking on skype

[perna]

oh, why is AO missing from half the gun...

[Rens]

Haha, im with per on this ;)
Try out marmoset too.

You can do much better man, keep pushing it. do it do it.

[gauss]

still one of the very best guns on pc, i mean behind the 3 million m4 models

[Mio]

very nicely done!!

[MM]

great! although the metal looks a bit too oxidized. looks awesome none the less.

[polygoo]

Looking great, nice job on the base of hand grip

[Perfectblue]

Post flats or I will hunt you down.

[n88tr]

wood looks like it's plastic
what's with all the grey shadows

[ZacD]

Tape and laser pointer need AO, sticker on the laser needs its spec tweaked, shouldn't be the same as the metal.

[Cap Hotkill]

Actualy, pedro... why not like this?

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/6519/welikepc.png

[n88tr]

why is the tape red? it's so distracting
maybe black or grey would be nicer
just wondering why you picked red?

[perna]

Pedro asked me to apologize on his behalf for the texture. He will go to the mountains. When he returns he will present a material that does the modeling work justice

[Oniram]

Actualy, pedro... why not like this?

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/6519/welikepc.png

i vote yes!

[Snefer]

haha <3 the feedback :D I THINK THE GUN IS LOVELY! But yes, moar texturing! :] Will turn out awesome! The model/bake is ace :]

[sltrOlsson]

I actually like the texturs ("actually" what douchbag this sltrOlsson guy), i think it looks like something you would use and actually take care of. Not throw in the sand and shit on. But i also think that the material definition is kinda strange on the handle. It looks like plastic, like new plastic. And a wooden wear to it.

[Porkyorc]

Looks great man, I like the details in the wear and tear of the gun.

[Avanthera]

haha, nice, as everyone else says. keep the yellow smiley, tho.
Too many greentooths getting shoved into random assets these days. :)

[Pedro Amorim]

Taco burrito enchilada
http://edgesize.com/captures/MeGusta.jpg

[Oniram]

looks really cool! whats with the white bit on the trigger tho?

[rasmus]

muchos nachos

[Keg]

looks really cool! whats with the white bit on the trigger tho?

That looks to be a specular highlight

[Vertrucio]

The tape around the gun, and the area immediately around the tape stands out against how weathered the rest of the gun is.

If you've got tape on anything, if it's moved or touched over time, such as drawing and holstering the revolver, you're going to see a certain kind of wear on the tape.

Some edges of the tape will be peeled back, and have the sticky underside showing, with that adhesive catching all sorts of dirt and grit. Likewise, you can have indications that this wasn't the first thing taped to the barrel by having slight cleaner spots along the barrel, with perhaps a few spots of dirty adhesive still left on it.

[Cap Hotkill]

I love the texture work pedro!, but now im afraid that theres a modeling/proportion error.. :(
The drum that holds the bullets seems to be too small, it doesn't even align properly with the barrel, I know its a bitch to notice this now, but to fix it you would have to make the drum wider and adjust the "hears" that cover the back side of it from the frame.

[Nitewalkr]

sweetstuff, you wasted that one tri over there though. better start over.
Looking forward to the texture man.

lol

On serious note, Amazing work sir. Just amazing.

[Pedro Amorim]

oh, i forgot to post the final pics of this gun here.
so..
http://edgesize.com/newDesign/img/Revolver_Big.jpg
http://edgesize.com/newDesign/img/Wireframe.jpg
http://edgesize.com/newDesign/img/Texture_Big.jpg
http://edgesize.com/newDesign/img/Hipoly.jpg

[Perfectblue]

Thanks for the flats, awesome work. Out of curiosity, would you say you spent as much time texturing as you did modeling?

[Blaizer]

It ended pretty good Pedro, excellent!

Just tweak those reflections on the wood material! :D

[Jeremy Tabor]

Nice one!

[viv]

Good Job Pedro !

[metalliandy]

You suck Pedro

[mr_ace]

beautiful work man, the materials read incredibly well

[Pedro Amorim]

You suck Pedro

http://www.ragemaker.net/images/Sad/okay%20with%20words.png

[Racer445]

here's a few things

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1725586/crits/volvo.jpg

1. wood grain on spec and gloss... WHY?? the pattern wouldn't affect the glossiness or the specularity on any kind of real wood, and certainly not a finished, glossy wood. a newbie mistake, but a 10 minute fix.

2. funny crevice grime shapes here. looks almost like the sponge filter.

3. how would this scuff get here? it's such a broad shape and that area is blocked by the cylinder and the grip, so i don't know how such a big area would get scuffed. besides, it looks oddly pixelated and low-res anyway.

4. odd X shaped scratch, doesn't flow with anything and looks wacked from the FPS view.

5. questionable placement of this scratch for the same reason as 3. it's a really nice shape though, and it may be worth it to move this nearer to an edge.

this is a REALLY nice asset though and just some minor tweaks would make it look exceptional. the shader setup is fantastic, the bake is outstanding and most of the overlays are well chosen. just a few things would push it over the top.

[BoBo_the_seal]

Nice work!

- BoBo

[BradMyers82]

Awesome! This looks so much better than what you posted on 6-20.

[jordan.kocon]

Awesome work, given me inspiration to finish my revolver!

[Lavitz]

Outstanding!
Can't believe you included oil/smudges from the skin of the hand on the grip.

[disanski]

Nice work Pedro and spot on critiques from Racer as always.

[sltrOlsson]

Mmmmmmmmmh... Lovely lovely lovely.. If you are going to get into this again and check the stuff Racer445 talked about you should add some small scratches were the hinge is..

A pic the demonstrate :)

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1415501/PolycountPictures/PedrosGunScratches.jpg

[Pedro Amorim]

I guess I will work on these sugestions and make it moar awesome :D Thank you all for the comments! :D

[n88tr]

racer's got you pegged
that wood drives me nuts looking like polished plastic
you're near the end i think though

[Spatz]

awesome!!! great work pedro :)

[KazeoHin]

Its missing a rear-sight at the moment, looks a bit weird without it...

[Jon Rush]

Your surfacing is pristine - awesome piece!

[nijildavid]

I'm new to polycount and this one has caught my attention.
Yes, there are few glitches but that doesn't rule over your work. :)

AWESOME PEDRO !