[STAGE] Street Fighter 2, Bath House, JordanW

[JordanW]

Yeahhhhhhhhh!

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2332694/Brawl/RefImage01.jpg

This should be fun and manageable, I plan on expanding the scene further back for more interesting depth and parallax. I'll be doing this in UDK and probably incorporate DX11 effects.

[d1ver]

sweet! rock on, man!

[Slum]

wooo! This is great. I always loved playing as Honda, so I have many fond memories of this screen :)

[Geezus]

Oh yeah, what an iconic stage.

[Jesse Moody]

wooo! This is great. I always loved playing as Honda, so I have many fond memories of this screen :)

The same.

Can't wait to see what you spin this into :)

[MattQ86]

Did anybody else ever play the meta-game of trying to knock people out of the sumo ring on this stage?

[JordanW]

Quick Sketch time

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2332694/Brawl/Sketch01.jpg

Just something to get me started, will probably do paintovers as I move along

[rv_el]

JORDAN! I can totaly see you taking this on. Perfect man. Good and memorable stage too. This is all you man. DX11.. nice.

[jimmypopali]

I had this idea before i saw this :(

[rv_el]

I had this idea before i saw this :(

You can still do it. I believe i've seen 2 guile entries. And I think both of them are taking guile back to older wars (totaly f'ing awesome) and luckily they arent the same wars....

But even if they were, they could end up totaly different, or one guy might not even finish! or in my experience a lot of people hardly get around to starting.


Its tough cause i see people talking about "holding spots" or "Calling it" (i think thats just for fun... and other thigns).... but i've thought of quite a few things i'd like to do and i feel if something pops up that was the char i was choosing. well.. whatever.

2 different takes on the EHonda level would be cool. I feel ya though. I have a couple of chars in mind and I personally hope nobody goes there :).


The characters are always fighting in my head for which one I want to actually do. Did i say that out loud? Did they? oh god!

[ibarter]

This should be Epic. Can't wait.

[jimmypopali]

Thnx rv_el. I might do that!

[Emil Mujanovic]

Shit just got serious!

[Daven]

so are you like good or something ;)

[JordanW]

So I went ahead and starting making some basic tile to start building with. I also created a material that lets me define a pattern with a really small texture (current one is 4x4) and it'll map to the tiles. This lets me keep my tile texture at 2x2 with having larger patterns, or variation.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2332694/Brawl/WIP01.jpg

[Xoliul]

Oh cool! Wish I had a DX11 card to use with the new effects. Actually I wish I worked at Epic so I understood better what they are capable of lol.

Very nice idea also with the tiles, I thought about creating a material like this once, never executed the idea tho.

[dudealan2001]

that looks super sexy keep going!

[fearian]

So I went ahead and starting making some basic tile to start building with. I also created a material that lets me define a pattern with a really small texture (current one is 4x4) and it'll map to the tiles. This lets me keep my tile texture at 2x2 with having larger patterns, or variation.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2332694/Brawl/WIP01.jpg

Hot damn. Your going to have to pose that material setup man! :thumbup:

[jimmypopali]

where did you get the level image? its hard to find whole level images and not just screenshots.

*edit*
Don't worry, I found it.

[SnakeDoctor]

Mind showing us how you set up that render? If you have time of course.

[JR]

This will be epic. This stage is very classic. Good luck man!

[Skamberin]

Man, this is just GAH. Watching an Epic person use UDK to it's fullest, and DX 11 effects too? Man, this is better than TV and games, just going to F5 this thread the next weeks, along with others.

[Anuxinamoon]

Oh snap, so beautiful! <3 Can't wait to see it progress!

[Jeff Parrott]

Great stuff so far. Love the shader work so far.

[JordanW]

New texture tonight, concrete for lining the top of the walls and pillars.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2332694/Brawl/WIP02.jpg

Fearian, nothing crazy with the material, to tile the pattern and it not be blurry you have to set Filter: NEAREST in the texture properties and do something like this:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2332694/Brawl/TileMat.jpg

SnakeDoctor, nothing crazy about the scene, just custom tonemapper, imagegrain, bloom, and some spotlights:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2332694/Brawl/scene.jpg

[CJE]

looking good so far dude, keep going!

[Firebert]

you and your DOF... i want to scatter garden gnomes or plastic soldiers all over the place.
excellent work so far! can't wait to see a blockout or additional concepts :)

[Ben Apuna]

Great choice for a focused project.

Neat approach, materials before models. I'll have to give that method a try.

[spiderDude]

niiice, I'm gonne be keepin my eye on this

[Xoliul]

Hey Jordan, I'm wondering what graphicscard you have to run the DX11 features? Would one single GTX570 suffice?

[JordanW]

Yeah that'd work fine, I use a single GTX580, and when working on our GDC demo I was on a GTX470 and a GTX580 (at separate times).

[fearian]

Nothing crazy, but super effective! ;) Very nice textures so far, will be fun watching this develop!

[indian_boy]

Oh sweet - I'm getting a GTX460 in the near future. I really hope that suffices too. Was interested in trying out some of these new features.

also - damnit, I thought there was an update here. What a tease!

[JordanW]

Just modeled a pillar for tonight

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2332694/Brawl/WIP03.jpg

[Sean VanGorder]

So sick man. This should turn out great.

[onelunglewis]

Great work! Can't wait! Great material work too.

[Nauh]

love where this is going, good luck, suscribed

[Shendoo]

awesome!
materials are very well done. I am crazy to see more updates.

[Skamberin]

I gotta know how you got the edges on that material/texture to look like actual tiles. It's like it's a chamfered edge or was modelled on purpose (talking about how it looks on the first cube, but also on the pillar)

This thread is awesome, really looking forward to more :D
How do you do your textures? Photo source and treat in Photoshop? or drawn from scratch?

[Gannon]

Loving the Material set up, it makes those textures so versatile......

...pun intended >.>

[gwad]

great stage commming !

[JordanW]

Quick update to where I'm at, just getting basic shapes into UE3 and i'll dirty up/add smaller objects as I go. Also all of the tile patterns and colors are temp, I made them greyish right now so they wouldn't be too obtrusive while I work

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2332694/Brawl/WIP04.jpg

and a sketch for the mirror/faucet details

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2332694/Brawl/Sketch02.jpg

[Cordell Felix]

dude, holy shit at those materials. GREAT work!

[nightFlarer]

Why does that pillar look so realistic! Awesome work man!

[EtotheRic]

You know what will rock this is some scrolling wall sweat. Looking nice so far.

[YBourykina]

those are some gorgeous materials! O_O

[arshlevon]

mind showing me you modeling process? i'm having a hard time with cubes.. what software package are you using to generate them? looks like a max cube, but i could be wrong.

just kidding, materials looks ace.

[JordanW]

Latest update, modeled short walls with mirrors, lights and faucets. Created master metal material and mirror material (although it looks junky with realtime reflections absent)

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2332694/Brawl/WIP05.jpg

[fearian]

more nice things! That DoF makes the scene look almost tilt shifted! Teeny Tiny taps an mirrors! :3

[Cordell Felix]

dude stop it, these screen shots are giving me boners!

[Firebert]

looks totally killer! can't wait to see it with the reflections and effects you come up with!
gotta agree... lay off the dof/bokeh for a while. either those mirrors are made for midgets, or they are made for shaving one's junk.

[adam]

Drop that DoF, lets see all of her :thumbup:

[JordanW]

Just a stool tonight
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2332694/Brawl/WIP06.jpg

[Onuris]

Best looking stool sample I've ever seen.

[Tyrone70]

Man, all of this looks really amazing. I love the darker atmosphere.

[rv_el]

Don't make me come over there and break your hands! :P

[jordan.kocon]

Could you post the high poly and some insight as to how you did that stool if you have the time? It looks fantastic!

[mitcHELL]

omg your renders are so fly. loving the spec work..

[EVIL]

dude stop it, these screen shots are giving me boners!

this


many many boners!

[Snefer]

This is cheating! You like..know the engine and stuff! ;) Great looking stuff sofar :)

[Jwalter14]

This looks absolutely phenomenal, I'm in awe!

I can't wait to see the finished stage!

[Welbig]

This is looking really great. You are making it hard not to want to jump right into UDK. Things are looking great after only a week. In six more this will be such an awesome scene. What is next on the agenda for you? Also could you post some wire frames so I can see how you are putting it all together? I'm new to modeling for UDK and want to make sure I'm doing it right. In the past i have tried to avoid extrusions and just place objects on top of other objects but I've read that extrusions work better in UDK for shadows. Is that the case?

[r4ptur3]

great start dude :) i love how you took advantage of all that repeating floor tile. your scene is going to be nice higher resolution than most modern video games and your texture sheet is going to be epic tiny. awesome work -- going to keep a close eye on this.

[JordanW]

Update for the weekend
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2332694/Brawl/WIP07.jpg

[ishii]

God damn that is looking sweet!! My fav stage so far

[dpixeel]

Holy shit! Can't wait to see more from you.

[Daven]

epic bloom is epic. looking great :)

Love to see where all the water goes with no drains :P

[ayoub44]

WOW , so cool .. keep it up

[seforin]

gears of honda is shaping up nicely.

Material treatment is nice...bit dark for my taste for the usual bright SF style but overall im loving the look and feel you got going on

[Hugh]

jeez if your if this is the new norm for work in UDK I need to put my work hat on more thnx to heavens for UDK. Post all mats to study soon.

[Baj Singh]

Its looking nice. My only real crit (or rather personal preference) is that its starting to look like just another UDK based level (desaturated colours as a standard fare). It would have been really nice to see an over the top visual splendour in the style of Street Fighter (or heading towards SFIV). Good luck though, and I hope the final result really shines.

[paulsvoboda]

I love your material work. The tiles look fantastic. I think the bloom, while it significantly adds to the mood and atmosphere, is a bit strong at the moment. Are you planning on filling up the foreground around the ring at all?
Look forward to seeing this progress.

[JordanW]

Its looking nice. My only real crit (or rather personal preference) is that its starting to look like just another UDK based level (desaturated colours as a standard fare). It would have been really nice to see an over the top visual splendour in the style of Street Fighter (or heading towards SFIV). Good luck though, and I hope the final result really shines.


Why would I want to remake a Street Fighter level in the style of street figher? @.@ seems kind of redundant.

Paul- As far as the bloom goes I'll probably pull back on it once I get some particles and fog sheets in there, I really want the scene to look wet/steamy with thick air. I plan on adding foreground elements as well, like towels, soap, stools and buckets.

[vahl]

that stuff is looking awesome Jordan, as usual :) really looking forward to seeing more :)

[jimmypopali]

I'd like to see a screen for a bit higher up, would like to see those baths.

I have to say, when I think of bath house, this is pretty much it.

[JacqueChoi]

This is seriously kicking soo much ass.

Seriously stunning.

[Baj Singh]

Why would I want to remake a Street Fighter level in the style of street figher? @.@ seems kind of redundant.

I meant a 3D update of that level but in the style of the newer street fighter game. It would have been nice to see what that level looked like if say it was updated for the newer generation. Again its personal preference :)

[Hugh]

Why would I want to remake a Street Fighter level in the style of street figher? @.@ seems kind of redundant.

Paul- As far as the bloom goes I'll probably pull back on it once I get some particles and fog sheets in there, I really want the scene to look wet/steamy with thick air. I plan on adding foreground elements as well, like towels, soap, stools and buckets.

a sign that says "Don't Drop the Soap" would be appropriate,aswell

[Caser]

This redesign is quite conservative but really awesome.

Your work with the materials is trully inspiring.

[JordanW]

Created lantern:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2332694/Brawl/WIP10.jpg

Started on some dirtying materials, still WIP

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2332694/Brawl/WIP09.jpg

full scene so far.... still feels super empty, but i'm starting to screw around with lighting and color grading more to see what kind of feeling i want

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2332694/Brawl/WIP08.jpg

[itsmadman]

luving the poly count logo lamps nice

[Pedro Amorim]

wow jordan! that looks amazingly cool!

[cholden]

Who'da guessed Jordan knows his tech? I'm gonna have to steal your brain one of these days.

[Ryper]

This is looking really amazing, gonna have to get to grips with latest udk update i think

[Tickwomp]

wow, that is hot man, the lighting looks great

[Skamberin]

That looks damn good so far man, only thing that sticks out to me is the ring on the ground. It doesn't look like shadows and light are being cast properly on it, but that could be the angle of the picture.
Don't really know how to explain it but it also seems like the areas where it intersects with the floor lack AO or shadow cast by the mesh, this is mostly apparent in the foreground anyway.
It'll probably fit in perfectly when you grime up those areas, can't wait to see more :)
And please do a little video "tour" of the level when you're done, if you can :D

[Chandler]

Damn, looking good! You really nailed the tile. Far as I'm concerned that last screenshot could be a final submission, it almost looks like I could step right into it. I'm looking forward to seeing what else you come up with for this!

[Archanex]

Damn, this is looking fantastic!

[paulsvoboda]

Jordan, what I love so much about this environment is by the atmosphere, mood and lighting alone, you have something really special, but then you look at the individual props and materials and you see just how detailed and well executed they are and all you can do is sit in awe and watch. Awesome stuff!

[Ani]

I love the darker tone you're giving to the scene, plus those lanterns are win :D

[Caser]

I like the lamps, but I LOVE the lightning right now!

[Bbox85]

I love lamp... :)

[oobersli]

Some wet or dirty towels piled up might help clutter some spots up some. Maybe some displacement on some ground tiles to give them a tad more difference in height? they look a little tooo evenly place. just small details, looks pimp overall though.

[Bwample1]

The one thing i dont get is that weird tile circle in the middle. It does not really fit with anything else within the stage. It looks slapped on and the texture on it compared to all the other great textures it looks low and weak and blurry.

[Jbird]

Man that is looking pretty stellar, as a lot of the other guys have pointed out, I too really think you got some nice postprocessing effects in there and it's just an awesome environment as a whole.

Though I agree with Bwample1 that the one thing that feels abit of is the zumo-esq fighting ring. I'm thinking that maybe you should change that to something more fitting or just get rid of it.. anyhow great work! :)

[Firebert]

Pretty badass JW. As others have said, lighting and mood so far is shaping up great!

I would be very, very careful about your final camera position at the end of the comp. This current position makes it feel very claustrophobic and you lose the sense of scale, where as this position feels much closer (http://www.polycount.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1319092&postcount=64) and more realistic in terms of imagining an actual fighter in the space.

OH, and Ryper, I would consider changing your avatar........... that shit belongs to Frank..... just sayin'

[Karl Stjernberg]

Awwww, man! That is so pretty! I especially like the grime in the bathtubs.

[Jungsik]

the lantern kicks asss

[jinxx]

WTF O_O AMAZING !!!!
Nice job with lights and render man!

[JonathanF]

maybe some hooks on the pillars with towels/bath robes hanging from them. would be cool to have characters in the tubs and sitting on stools all around cheering on the fight. :D buuuuuuut I know thats a ton of freakin work.

[Inpw]

Amazing lwork, dude!

[Mike Yevin]

dear god

you totally nailed the feeling of a bath house, and im loving the lighting. cant wait for moar, this is by far my favorite

[Kewop Decam]

lol, polycount logo placement.

That's awesome man!

[Hamish Bode]

This one is going straight to my inspirations folder. Or "straight to the pool room" for any Aussie's out there.

[JordanW]

Thanks for all of your comments.

Skamberin- yeah the ring is kinda jacked right now, it's material had too much contrast and due to the way image reflections work it won't shadow the reflections or the streaky highglights, so i'll just do some vertex paning trickery to put some grime around it :) Also SSAO is off right now and it'll more than likely be back on at some point. As for the tour I'll probably put up a vimeo and I'm probably going to release the packages and map file so people can dig through it if they'd like

oobersli - towels are totally on my list, they'll be a good item to throw around and hang in areas to add interesting details. As for displacement the rules said tessellation counts towards poly budget (boo!!!) so I wont be using it. I do plan on hand modeling some destroyed elements of the ground and pillars to give the appearance of people fighting in here.

Firebert- I agree about the composition, I'm sure i'll have like 50 angles that are just slightly different before I nail down the final one :)

Jonathan - I agree bystanders would be awesome, If i have some left over texture space I was thinking about making some 3d billboardish people to put relaxin in the tubs :X but we'll see....it's going to be enough work finishing this, I still have more items, custom modeling, vertex painging, wet effects, fog, particles....fuuuuuuuuuuuuu

[marq4porsche]

This scene is amazing! You have an awesome mood going on here.

[dudealan2001]

You should really make some Tutorials on lighting and DOF, cause just the caustics (think thats the right term) look amazing.

[Fryght]

JordanW, any chance for a wallpaper size render? Preferably 1920x1080 :D
Kudos on the scene so far, it looks amazing!

[blot12345]

Your materials and lighting work is very inspiring! I'd second some wallpaper sized renders (Specifically the render of just the lanterns from the previous page).

[gwad]

One of my favorite stage work, man!
Amazing atmosphere, i love it

[Zerogun]

Wow, that picture was just so amazing I had to go get a bucket for my drool. Your lighting and textures are taking full advantage of the UDK (which makes me angrily jealous).

I see the ring as something that is hastily thrown together (in the game universe not in your model) and I could see it being a ring of towels. But it's just a suggestion.

Keep up the amazing work.

[G-Saviour18]

Would be great if you could upload the map and packages for this level like you said, I'd quite like to see how you went about lighting this scene and getting such a nice atmosphere, look forwad to seeing more :)

[r4ptur3]

very nice! those lanterns are delicious :) I was going to make some for my stage as well but you beat me to the punch!!

[iansmithartist]

Thanks for sharing your material setup back there on page one, the mats looked great and i was curious on how they were setup. One of my fav Brawl entries!

[Civerad]

Wow, simply amazing!

[AKAperly]

those lanterns sealed the deal, nice work dude. loving the color palette.

[onelunglewis]

Holy junk balls this is looking awesome!

[Erigo]

Kickass!
*especially with latest UDK it will be really baaadass !

[butt_sahib]

Excellent composition and materials!

[JGcount]

This looks amazing, no doubt, but theres something wrong with the scale for me. Originally, I thought the room was much smaller, but then i saw the mirrors/sinks. Its as if they are too low and the camera is too high up

[JordanW]

the faucets and mirrors are very low in a bath house

http://www.polarisimages.com/Portfolios/Photographers/Torin_Boyd/images/01.jpg

[seth.]

Beautiful scene Jordan, some great work on those tiles....and the lanterns....too cool. :)

[Karl Stjernberg]

Please make one of those soap bars with a rope attached to them. And bubbles!!

[rasmus]

Hey Jordan, I think you're on to something special here - that last shot is like some magical ill-breed between a sleazy nightclub and a sento, like some lavish, yakuza-run soapland from hell :) In other words, there's something really interesting about the mix of elements, keep it up.

PS. Extra credit for a Mt. Fuji somewhere

[d1ver]

Damn, Jordan, this is so good.

I think you can easily populate more chairs and buckets around.

I'm also curious, how are you going about those irregularities in your light? is it caustics from lamp glass thing or something?

keep it up, dude. it's a pleasure to follow.

cheers

[Ballo]

amazing piece for videogame art. One of my favourites!

[JordanW]

D1ver, yeah the lighting is supposed to be caustics from the bulbs, I just painted a texture in photoshop that looked like some caustics and cast it as a light function on some of the spotlights.

[PixelGoat]

This shitz awesome Jordan :) keep it up!

[JordanW]

Add lots of little things, bath faucet, circular and square drains, windows on ceiling, mural in back

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2332694/Brawl/WIP11.jpg

also started placing reflections in the level

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2332694/Brawl/WIP12.jpg

[blot12345]

Holy crap, your materials and lighting are kick ass. I do think that the tile on the ground needs a little more wear and tear. It seems too new and clean when compared with the ceiling. Your stuff is really inspirational. Keep rockin!

[Jeff Parrott]

Great job on the material work Jordan. Completely awesome stuff.

[Snefer]

YOU ARE CHEATING! :D haha, this is seriously awesome!

[Bbox85]

You're really nailing that mood man. It feels like a scene right out of a Chow Yun Fat action flick... err, but Japanese :). How come the normals and reflection on the left pillar seems so strong compared to everything else? Would be awesome if those roof windows were staggered open just a tad seeping in some daylight. Maybe if the lanterns ad light in the middle row were slightly dimmed or some turned off it would add a little more parallax with it being light, dark, light. Super awesome dude.

[OniLolz]

Wow! The lighting is incredible. Good work, man!
Keep it up :3

[rambooze]

Maaan this is awesome! Is this a new dx11 reflection? It looks like true reflection.

[JordanW]

Blot, I totally agree, I'm going to make a custom mesh for the floor that I can smash up and paint instead of this boring BSP :X


BBox, yeah the skylights are an area of much pain, I've been going back and forth on what I actually want to do with them, I had a version with sunlight coming it but it made the scene harder to read and now that I have the lanterns and the mural i'm not as worried about needing warm tones, I'll probably just put some rays coming in from the glass to show the direction of the moonlight.

Dunno why the left tile looks stronger, there's only 1 tile shader with many instances, I'm guessing it's just a matter of what's reflecting and where the light is.

rambooze Yeah this is the DX11 reflections we used in the samaritan demo, it's all available in UDK, just enable image reflections on your material and place imagegreRlectionScenecaptureActors (long much?) on things you want to show up in the reflection....oh and make sure you're in DX11 mode :)

[Mike Yevin]

i cant hold myself back from posting, its just so good. one of the best looking udk projects ive seen since the new march release, your really utilizing all of those fancy new features quite nicely.

if you dont mind me asking a somewhat off-topic question, what kinda rig you working on jordan? if your working with all this new fangled tech you have to be working on a beast

[JordanW]

Graphics card is really the only monster thing in here :)

Intel Quad core Q6600 @ 2.4Ghz
8GB ram
GTX580

[fiveways]

This is coming along great, dude. This is the scene that I always thought it'd be cool to see remade. Kinda upset me that they didn't redo his stage in SF4. This darker mood gives it a Mortal Kombat kinda vibe and I think it works really well. Excited to see more.

Edit: I also have that some processor, had it OC'd to 3.0 for a while, stable as all hell. I'm stuck with 2 8800GTs though :(

[af3d]

Beautiful work, maybe if you had some tiles missing from the columns it would add visual interest? Some added dirt and grime would help, this looks like it has a permanent janitor on duty.

[brokenartistry]

holy hell this is sooooo good

[rambooze]

2JordanW
Thanks for the information. Great update of the UDK you have in the march release. I wish I had a dx11 videocard :)

[crazyfingers]

Not sure i'm digging the lanterns, they just seem out of place in every conceivable way. They're roundish, red, and their scale seems too big. I think square lanterns might work better, and i think you need to work on the material to make it look more transparent, a material that lets light pass through it (you'd be able to see the detailing from the other side as well as hints of the fire inside. Their style just clashes with the rest of the scene. Other than that amazing scene.

[Hugh]

pretty sure you get a job from this one

[CHON]

This is really nice, ur shading is AWESOME !

[felipefrango]

I wouldn't say the lanterns look out of place but it could use a few tweaks? Shape could be either more pill like or more spherical IMHO and I agree with crazyfingers on the materials, the light source inside could be more visible and get these awesome shades of orange/yellow going on:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/403311233_7260397530.jpg
http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/60149/60149,1258251104,2/stock-photo-japanese-lantern-restaurant-40920004.jpg

[Bbox85]

I think it should be a sci fi lantern... better yet a jack-o-lantern... OR something trendy these days... a Green Lantern :P

I kid, I kid...

[Maph]

Man, those tasty DX11 reflections really make this piece shine (no pun intented :))!

[JordanW]

Crazyfingers- the lanterns was something I was hesitant about putting in but I feel that it's an element that should stick around from the original.

FelipeFrango- thanks for the images, I went back and reworked the materials and shape a bit, Even the round ones aren't perfectly spherical which makes it a bit of a pain to get just right :)


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2332694/Brawl/WIP13.jpg

[PogoP]

Looks great. Could you give a list of exactly which DX11 features you are using? I'm interested in working some into my latest scene!

[felipefrango]

Bitchin'! Personally I'd make them even brighter and saturated but that's only cause I'm a sucker for this kinda stuff, there's something in these shades of orange that I just love. :p

[rv_el]

I'm going to bug you about those lanterns tomorrow at work. Me wants to see what your doing!

I think your holding the competition up now man. Nobody is updating. I can't tell if they all left for Dominance War V or just quit or if people are in hiding working away on their entry. *shrug*

The lanterns look great man! I want to hit them with a bat and grasp at the japanese candy.

[Snefer]

I found some reference for you!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doihYFkeWsQ&feature=player_embedded

[JordanW]

lol I saw this last night and was like D:!

[wester]

Yeah i immediately thought of this competition when i saw that family guy skit. Stupid FOX taking down all of the family guy footage. That video doesnt work anymore :(

This scene btw...looks PHENOMINAL! I absolutely love it.

[Ron.S]

Great stuff so far. Love the shader work so far.

First off this stage just looks amazing, your shader work is flawless and your mats are just sick man ! Can't wait to see what else you do with this.
But I was checking your material expressions out and I'm pretty new to UDK myself, for your black and white checkered pattern, how did you create that ?

[JordanW]

Tiny update, created towel texture and materials, has some rim shading for fuzziness and gets dark at the center to fake fiber shading, also using DX11 SSS to get some transmission.... @.@

Model was creating by running a cloth sim in max (using exported meshes from editor), throwing shell modifier on it, turbosmooth, then proptimizer to get rid of geometry.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2332694/Brawl/WIP14.jpg

[Bbox85]

Exactly the way I would've done it. Cloth sim is SAAAWWEEEEEET! Really awesome dude. You're really good at making everything convincing. I imagine you're one of those guys who tweaks and updates a shader many many times to get it just right. Either that or you're just naturally awesome and get it right on the first try. Lol. Or... both... Hmmmmmmmmm...

BTW, what're the differences between DX11 SSS and the previous SSS? I'm working on an Nvidia GTX 7800... Wow embarassing to admit say that out loud. Just want to know what I'm missing out on... hehe

[InMOP]

Man this looks INSANE....

I am truly lost for words, when you first announced that you were doing the bath house level I thought how can he possibly make that bath house look appealing a few weeks later I got my answer.


You have to do us all a solid and release this map when its done for all to enjoy.

[Covin]

Bad-Ass scene Jordan, you are incredible.
Gorgeous light, material and texture.

[JordanW]

Bbox85- SSS in UE3 for directX9 is done by either using Transmission which is just some 2 sided lighting with attenuation or by using CustomLighting and doing something like softened normals with layers of color. DirectX11 SSS is in screenspace and blurs the lighting and blends it back with phong lighting.

http://udn.epicgames.com/Three/ScreenSpaceSubsurfaceScattering.html

[MM]

lovely work! the balance of colors and lighting as very well executed.

[cw]

this is really really great, probably my favourite brawl thing I've seen so far - and it's not a character - damn! :D

[CHON]

You're doing an amazing job here congratz !

[dang87]

Looking cool, keep it up! :D

[V-MAX]

wow.
incredible.
very good
congrats




My post - KABAL
http://www.polycount.com/forum/showthread.php?t=83096

[55joe]

usually i only comment on char art but these enviros in this competition are so freaking out of control i have no choice but to fanboi all over them. this rocks, i am dangerously close to making my own now.

[jib1337]

That is the greatest towel I have ever seen, I may just need a towel after seeing it.

[JordanW]

Frantically trying to get more elements into this, I still need to place more items around and get some lens effects in but for now I was able to do haze, fog, water, grime, damage

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2332694/Brawl/WIP16.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2332694/Brawl/WIP17.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2332694/Brawl/WIP18.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2332694/Brawl/WIP19.jpg
and the whole scene so far
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2332694/Brawl/WIP15.jpg

[Sean VanGorder]

SO much awesome in this thread, I love it. Really diggin this last shot, but I'm worried that it might be a little too much going on.

[Bbox85]

You're on a whole different level bro. Can you like, give us a video :) I bet this scene is so incredible in motion.

[foreverendering]

Sick work! The last shot has a great sense of atmosphere.

[blot12345]

Nice update. I love your tile shader, that looks killer. The light shafts are a little weird for me. The windows don't seem bright enough to be letting light streaks that strong come through. This is seriously looking good though. I can't wait to see it finished.

[Liquid-Grievous]

very cool work

[jordan.kocon]

winning

[MasteroftheFork]

This looks amazing. The close up views all look great. The full shot looks a bit busy. I think the light beams in the center need to be reworked or just taken away, they break the flow of the scene too much.

[PixelGoat]

Have to agree about what has been said about the light shafts and overall busy-ness of the scene. other than that though, killer work! :)

[Cordell Felix]

how are you doing this?!
Freaking incredible man, the effects are omg wow!
Such a big fan of this thread! keep it up, you should make some tuts on how to do alot of this stuff like the effects, and water spots/drips on the floor and pillars, would be very helpful!

[d1ver]

That, Good Sir, is awesome. It's fun to see all this detail materialize out of thin air, 'cause at first, well, a bath house doesn't seem like it has all those great details.)

Maybe an open faucet with some steamy water running from it?

[Caser]

Fantastic job!

[EzMeow]

Nice composition and your last shot~

My main concern is still with way that the bamboo/rope circle behave with the ground.
Could I suggest to try to have missing tiles all around the circle, with some dirt/sand under it, then the rope would be half way buried inside it with a proper texture effect. (feel free to discard anything XD).

Anyway generally speaking, great work on your material.

[Sharvo]

Yeah i agree with EzMeow on the rope it kinda just looks like its been cut and the top is just on the floor, i dunno how it should look though all refrences i have seen look like yours, i think this suggestion may ruin the scene though and that is to have dirt in the middle a biut like this.

http://www.visualphotos.com/photo/2x3730499/sumo_wrestlers_throwing_salt_to_purify_ring_42-18776223.jpg

Everything else is looking super duper though, love the materials, love the depth of field and those lil puddles are sweet, well done. Wish i knew udk half as well as you! All in time though, lol.

Keep going!

[JordanW]

I totally agree with the comments on the light rays, they're cluttering up the scene and they're too sharp. I'm probably going to get rid of them. I don't think I'll be putting dirt or sand on the floor but I may grime the area around the rope up more.

[Sharvo]

Yeah i think that was a bit of an exaggeration by me, maybe a bit of grunge and a few tiles missing :)

[mkandersson]

Awesome looking scene and incredible texture work. Though now after you've added dirt and grime to your scene I feel that the left area is too clean (on the last image) But I guess you are already know that so :) anyways awesome job!

[okkun]

Great work man!

I agree with the clutter, it's starting to break up the space

[Firebert]

makes me wanna do this.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1446578/jw_lick.jpg

[dkreset]

omg, that is INTENSE

[Clintus Maximus]

beautiful work!

[Arac]

This is coming along great.

Love the atmosphere!

[Chili]

great work!

[felipefrango]

I'm no environment artist so hopefully you can enlighten me on a few things. How do you plan out a piece like this, regarding modularity and scalability of textures and materials? I mean, how many of the assets have individual textures and how many use tiling textures and/or generic materials? The faucets and other metal parts, for example, all use a generic metal shader?

[jib1337]

Congrats on the win in advance!!

[Arkadius]

This is awesome! It is art like this that makes me regret not becoming an environment artist.

[Hazardous]

dude... wtf... noone is supposed to be THIS good.

http://www.outcastweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/tin-foil-hat.jpg

Why is there so many awesome environment artists making me want to try my hand at environment art right now! Curse you JordanW !!!!!!!!! *shakes fist at the sky*

[slave_one]

Haha! ^^ I am with firebert on this one!

Jordan, excellent work and great thread to follow!! Thanks

[AjdinBarucija]

So so so nice =) I love it!

[JordanW]

Thanks for all of the comments, hopefully I can get some more time this weekend to work on this, this week is pretty brutal as far as free time is concerned :(

Felipe: There are generic metal shaders but I have custom textures for the faucets, lights etc... One thing that helped me plan this scene was I took the total texture space available, 4096, broke that into a list of 16 1024s and planned out a list of assets, so tiles were 1 1024, all water effects were 1 1024, so a 512 for tub water, 512 for water droplets etc... This helped a lot.

[Striff]

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l67pksvokI1qbvx0xo1_500.gif

[felipefrango]

Felipe: There are generic metal shaders but I have custom textures for the faucets, lights etc... One thing that helped me plan this scene was I took the total texture space available, 4096, broke that into a list of 16 1024s and planned out a list of assets, so tiles were 1 1024, all water effects were 1 1024, so a 512 for tub water, 512 for water droplets etc... This helped a lot.

Thanks man, really appreciate it. And how did you plan out the floor and pillar tiles to blend in with water, grime and cracks? You have different materials and blend them with vertex paint or something?

[JordanW]

Yes, the material for the tile has a vertex blend for Grime, one for cracked/removed tiles, and one for water effects. The floor has water that looks like splotches and vertical surfaces have water that looks like streaks. I store a heightmap-ish texture in one of the alphas of the tile so that the grime can blend in non-linearly.

[felipefrango]

Nice, very enlightening! How does the shader know if the surface is vertical or horizontal, is there a way to detect the surface normals and use it as input?

Also, I'm sorry if I sound like an annoying newb but this piece is stunning and your explanations have taught me a lot already. I'd understand if you don't wanna spill all the beans but I'd love to see some shader trees or some of these tricks explained in pictures, after all this kinda stuff is what makes Polycount stand out from the crowd. :D

[JordanW]

This shader doesn't know what's horizontal and vertical, I just made a parameter that i could switch the textures out based on what asset it was on, so the pillars have the streamy water and the floor has the splotchy one. You COULD make a shader do that for you though by taking 0,0,1 and transforming from tangent to world space, mask the blue channel, get the absolute value of that and use that as a mask for what is facing up.

Don't worry about asking me questions, I can post shots of some of the materials but a couple are very big. I've been thinking about releasing the UPK and map files once the scene is complete.

[felipefrango]

Oh damn, that would be the best thing ever, thanks for not only making awesome art but also giving back a lot to the community! Shame I don't have a DX11 GPU yet, but I bet is still looks killer without the fancy stuff. :v

[Cordell Felix]

That would be epic if you did that dude.
I'd even give you money to learn how to make a scene look like that.
no joke.

[rambooze]

I'm running out of words. Your shaders are awesome. Really looking forward to investigate your scene :D

[ltd]

wow, I wanna be like you when I grow up!
Great work with shaders!!!

[Geezus]

This scene just gets better and better, each time I see it.

It's probably a bit too late for this, but I would investigate removing the far back row of pillars and that far back/last bath, in order to bring the mural closer to the stage. The mural was such a huge part of the original stage, and I fear that you're not going to get a good sense of it's presence with how far back it currently is.

[horoxhoro]

awesome!!the lighting the mood is so nice! great shader and textures..10stars from me ;)

[Del]

~ It's really so refreshing to not only see stunning work, but that you're helping give back to the community by explaining everything and answering questions.

I can't tell you just how important people like you are to the community. You rock!

[onelunglewis]

looking sweet, make sure you integrate the ring into the tile, it is so much in the foreground its gonna stick out lick a sore thumb. Great work.

[Bbox85]

This thread is like an awesome t.v. show... I'm eagerly awaiting the weekly update :)

[JordanW]

Removed light rays, added some lens flares, messing around with color grading. SSAO is off right now so object connections are looking extra-wonky

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2332694/Brawl/WIP20.jpg

Probably going to lay more towels down tomorrow.

[Essynim]

Looking good. is it outside your poly budget to add some dimension to the rope strands in fighting ring, might help their transition to the floor less crisp.

[BadgerBaiter]

Christ on a bicycle that is sexy :D

Hubbalicious work you got going on here! :D

[cmcisaac]

theres too much awesome in this scene

[rv_el]

Awesome!!! great stuff man. Its cool to see somebody updating their thread and showing that they are still going. Your def. heading hard and fast to the end goal man. Its very damp and musky in there. You can feel it just looking at it.

[Delerium]

One word. Amazing! Would it be justifiable to throw down some more polys on the ring, to give it some more volume ? Don´t know if you gonna go for this angle but if you do I think it would look nice with some more geometry on the vertical ropes, to make them stand out.

[roosterMAP]

I prefer the second one.

amazing work!

[JordanW]

Minor update, draped some more towels around, still screwing around with post processing. Right now using a 50% blend of the 1st and 2nd LUT, I also added a postprocessing material effect that lets me blend in colors and adjust contrast on the top and bottom of the screen separately. I'm sure my post will still change some, I'm kind of afraid to go with so much brown.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2332694/Brawl/WIP21.jpg

[felipefrango]

Yeah, personally I liked the 1st and 3rd variations of your color grading tests, the second one felt too warm and damp, like there's a heavy sauna-ish atmosphere.

Also, how smoothly can you run this in real time? Have you played around in the level and benchmarked how many fps you get already?

[EzMeow]

Nice work on your scene (even if I dunno if I would take a bath here O.o), still loving your material ~

Now for the crits (say me if you are tired of my comment which brings "negativity" on your flawless board of comments xD) :
I feel that there is too much reflectivity on the side of two last bath structure according to the general degradation of the room.
The lack of shadow or light color difference (even a subtle one) on the ceiling above the lanterns due to their frame structure.

As usual feel free to discard ~

[JordanW]

Thanks for the feedback guys, those are all good points.

[Gannon]

I think my favorite part of this scene is how the lights look cast across the walls and mirrors, it's something you mostly see in Architectural renders. Safe to assume it's a light function or are you adjusting settings?

[seth.]

stunning work Jordan, no crits just wanted to say that it looks very very pretty :)

[JR]

Freaking awesome! There's some time I didn't look at this thread and when I enter I see.. this! Congrats for the great job, JordanW

[Apostolon]

Wow, this level looks great! I almost feel like it gets hard to breath the longer I look at it. I can't wait to start playing games with this caliber of graphics.

One suggestion to get away from the scene becoming too brown (I'm sure you've already thought of this one), but letting the back wall mural show a little more and possibly make it a complimentary color like a bright blue. I think it'll help the overall composition and help focus the eye.

[r4ptur3]

Jordan -- how are you overcoming the no spec in editor problem? Are you running your scene and tweaking material instance values while the game is running? I wanted some of the DX11 bells and whistles but was forced to go DX9 to get around the spec issue. Thoughts?

[JordanW]

I'm not sure what you mean by no spec in editor, The spec is working all the time for me.

[JDLOKI]

There was a problem with no spec appearing in the march verison but it seems to be sorted in the april version.

Your scene is looking so nice, in fact I dont think I have ever loved towels before!

[haiddasalami]

Loving the atmosphere in this Jordan. Hoping to get my DX11 card soon to start messing around with the new UDK stuff :)

[JonathanF]

this picture makes me thirsty... THAT IS A GOOD SIGN!!! you really pulled off that muggy room feel! Amazing!

[r4ptur3]

i'll have to see if i can get it working int he april version -- either way, looking awesome :) almost to the finish line :P

[nrek]

Looking great Jordan! Its like samaritan demo 2.0. The only thing that kind of bothers me are the mirrors, are they supposed to be fogged up? If so it does not read to well due to how uniform it is, it looks more like bare metal. I would suggest maybe adding some hand streaks or finger prints where people wiped away the condensation. Keep up the great work.

[JordanW]

I would suggest maybe adding some hand streaks or finger prints where people wiped away the condensation.


Great idea!

[rasmus]

Looking great, liking the last camera angle better, it's more interesting than flat-on. Waterstreaks down teh pillar don't quite read right, maybe tile em more? Would be nice to see some flythrough vids and stuff!

[JacqueChoi]

My god dude. My god.

[JordanW]

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2332694/Brawl/WIP22.jpg

[d1ver]

OMFG those are the best fat naked part of an environment guys I've seen In my life. never been so excited to see a half naked man before:)

We definitely have a winner here,Jordan!

Now, when I see it all come together,I just wish you shared some more of that wisdom, please:)

[felipefrango]

It's ridiculous how you could've stopped updating this pages ago and it would still be awesome and a very possible winner.

[fearian]

Suddenly, Characters!

Jesus man give everyone else a chance!

[m4dcow]

Looks awesome, only thing I would say is there are scale issues with a few of the stools.

[Essynim]

Please tell me you are going to hook up some animated sweat maps on them too

[crazyfingers]

Damn, this scene just gets better and better. That dude chillin' in the bathtub rocks, it'd be cool if you duplicated him in the bath with his back to the camera to the right side of him. Also the dude on the right could be ass naked showing these guys just don't give a f*ck.

Really amazing work.

[MM]

hahaha this is looking too good. if u add some subtle animation loop to these character then the environment is gonna come alive.

btw, i am not sure if someone already mentioned this before but the bloom or steam/fog seems a bit too much and all over the place. it might help if you could localize that effect on top of the tubs and leave some clear air spaces to give more visual clarity.

[kendo]

This really is on another level, my only crits would be to maybe lose the ring i dont think it blends well at the moment and im not sure your scene needs it, i would also tone down the lens flares a fraction.

Truly awesome stuff though.

[dustinbrown]

This looks stunning. Not that it needs it, but if you're feeling froggy I think a mop and mop bucket would work well in the scene. Off to the side, maybe up against one of the pillars.

http://paulwilkinson.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/mop-bucket.jpg

[paulsvoboda]

Beautiful scene. I thought you were nearing the end and then you went and added characters! This is just awesome stuff.

[Mathew O]

My god it gets better!?

[D4V1DC]

Awesome is only missing one person, E. Honda :)
http://media.strategywiki.org/images/1/14/SSF2T_E._Honda.gif

Awesome, can't say It enough, easily recognizable.