LPC vol2 #4 - TRON

[hawken]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mpBGa4P5jUo/Sxk2ioJGSwI/AAAAAAAAD_8/KUpJJnATQWk/s400/tron3.jpg

Greetings Programs!

Your challenge, should you accept it, is to create any User / Program, Vehicle or Scenery connected to Tron, 1982 or 2010!

THE BASICS:

Enter either a player model, a vehicle or scene.

Player models are 1024 tris, so are vehicles.

Standard selection of maps can be used on the models; diffuse, specular, transparency, environment mapping etc.

Challenge closes Dec 27th. (extended)

http://sketchblog.ecal.ch/variable_environment/archives/bit_tron.jpg

THE SPECS:

USER / PROGRAM - (player model) - 1024 TRIANGLES, 1 512 x 512 (diffuse, spec, trans, env map, fullbright layer).
VEHICLE - (vehicle, object) - 1024 TRIANGLES, 2 512 x 512 (diffuse, spec, trans, env map, fullbright layer).
SCENE - (diorama / scenery) - 1024 TRIANGLES, 2 512 x 512 (diffuse, spec, trans, env map, fullbright layer) (may include player and vehicle models from the above without affecting the scene budget). - misc objects for SCENE - budget: 1024 TRIANGLES, 1 512x512 broken up however you like (diffuse, spec, trans, env map, fullbright layer)

RULES:

1. No Bilinear filtering, texture smoothing or antialiasing. (How do I do that? Style Guide (http://www.polycount.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51622))
2. No Normal Maps.
3. Animation, overlay graphics, effects etc are heartily recommended.

DELIVERY:

Wire / editor.
In-game mockup.
Beauty / Title screen.

(all @ 960 x 640 [iPhone4] or 480 x 320 [iPhone 1-3])

DEADLINE:

December 27th

Use your own threads for development, r&d, progress, in this forum category ( Polycount Forum > Contests And Challenges > Low Poly Challenge )

TRON - PLAYER / VEHICLE / SCENE - your name

Whatever you do or whatever you learn will be imprinted on this. If you don't use a thread before submission or fail to follow commands, you will be subject to immediate de-resolution. That will be all.

END OF LINE :icon60:

[Muzz]

ITS ON LIKE DONKEY KONG!

[hawken]

TRON fan art is also accepted. (content that didn't appear in the movies.)

[willy-wilson]

sweet!

[AGuyCalledSpyke]

I might do this...

[achmedthesnake]

There's a 68.71% chance this comp is awesome....

i'm so in.
(if only to look at olivia wilde pictures for 'reference')

:D

[Ruz]

lol, already done
http://skincity.beyondunreal.com/src/img_models/pic2_id255.jpg

[SHEPEIRO]

I might do this...

x2

[hawken]

lol, already done

:poly101:

OK close the challenge :poly121:

[Ben Apuna]

Neat challenge! I'm thinking of participating.

I've got a few questions about the rules/specifications:

1. Is the use of vertex color allowed for lighting/shadows?

2. Is a per pixel gloss map allowed to complement the spec map? or is that too high tech shader wise?

3. Can we breakup or combine the two 512s worth of textures for the scene as we see fit? so for example is one 1024x512 (diffuse, spec, trans, special) or 4 256s and 16 128s OK?

4. About the EXTRAS for the scene, is it 256 tris and one 128 texture total for up to 20 objects? or can each of the 20 objects be up to 256 tris and have it's own set of 128 textures?

Sorry for being an idiot :poly136: I just want to make sure I understand correctly as I've never participated in any of the low poly challenges before.

[butt_sahib]

i will be free Dec.1st onwards so YEZZ

[kwakkie]

Hmmmm, I havent seen the movie :(
Basically its either model a human with glowy bits on it or some sort of lightbike? All the environments I could find was that grid?

[Vailias]

sweet jesus kwakkie just rent or stream or something the thing. :P Its worth while for sure.

But yeah.. a human with glowie bits that are circuit board inspired.
There are multiple vehicles available, not just lightcycles. Tanks, flying enforcer things, and you can also make stuff up so long as it fits with the theme.

Virtual cyberpunk is the base theme, with the glowing circuit/accents being the specfic look and feel.

original lightbikes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3ODe9mqoDE

environment ref and characters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEU5Mk_pmlE&NR=1

other vehicle ref
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yEjVIDaLQM&feature=related

[Justin Meisse]

Tron 2.0 intro (check it out, a virus!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FjKCXwZ9HU

the Tron Legacy style:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-T7vGdH_ek&feature=channel

wiki link showing some odd looking programs that don't really get explained
Inoporative Data Pushers (http://tron.wikia.com/wiki/Data_Pushers)

Grid Bugs were supposed to have a bigger part in the original script but were cut, so they just make a small appearance in the movie.
Grid Bugs (http://tron.wikia.com/wiki/Grid_Bugs)

[MattQ86]

If I were to make both members of Daft Punk would I have 1024 tris for each character or 1024 for both?

[achmedthesnake]

hey hawken - question - what do you define as 'special' under the tex categories?

[Joshua Stubbles]

Heh, not sure how to get shit "in game" without texture filtering. Is that an absolute requirement?

[hawken]

If I were to make both members of Daft Punk would I have 1024 tris for each character or 1024 for both?

you would have two player models so it's a separate budget for each

[hawken]

hey hawken - question - what do you define as 'special' under the tex categories?

Special can be an extra layer on the diffuse as fullbright (not affected by light or shadow) or some kind of metalic material that reflects an envmap.

envmap example: http://cgkit.sourceforge.net/tutorials/materials/envmap.jpg

[hawken]

1. Is the use of vertex color allowed for lighting/shadows?

2. Is a per pixel gloss map allowed to complement the spec map? or is that too high tech shader wise?

3. Can we breakup or combine the two 512s worth of textures for the scene as we see fit? so for example is one 1024x512 (diffuse, spec, trans, special) or 4 256s and 16 128s OK?

4. About the EXTRAS for the scene, is it 256 tris and one 128 texture total for up to 20 objects? or can each of the 20 objects be up to 256 tris and have it's own set of 128 textures?.

1. yes
2. no
3. yes
4. per object

[hawken]

Hmmmm, I havent seen the movie :(
Basically its either model a human with glowy bits on it or some sort of lightbike? All the environments I could find was that grid?

you are disqualified

[Ben Apuna]

Thanks for clearing up those issue hawken :)

I found a cool Making of Tron (1982 version) on Youtube. Here's the playlist, check it out!

http://www.youtube.com/user/BehindCurtain1#g/c/F06D8B0C8D10493E

[fearian]

Just finished watching TRON, and then the new TRON trailers :P

I am READY!

[gsokol]

cool. gotta go back and watch the original again. Isn't the 17th the night tron legacy comes out? I see what you did there :)

[Sharvo]

Hey all,

I am new here, so go easy on me :)

Love the sound of this challenge, so i am in. Have never done a low poly challenge like this and i am looking forward to it!

I still dont understand what the loist of special maps can be, can i use a transparency/opacity map? Maybe a list of all the maps we can use will be helpful i have scouted the forums for which ones we can use and couldnt find anything, so sorry if they are labelled somewhere else.

Simon

[duncan]

AWESOME...I don't think I am going to be able to help myself so yeah I am in too.

[hawken]

To format your development threads (you must start a thread to enter the challenge):

TRON - PLAYER / VEHICLE / SCENE - your name.

[duncan]

As long as your character looks like he or she is from the Tron universe can we modify the outfits?

[hawken]

indeed

[Sharvo]

hey, sorry to be a pain but i am guessing our developing thread goes in the low poly challenge?

Thanks

[Timtendo]

As was stated on the front page, there is no excuse not to do this challenge. I'm usually so good at making them, though.

[Mik2121]

Sounds like a great idea. I will most likely jump in after getting some sketches and ideas done.

This is my first challenge so I got a few questions regarding this:

SCENE - (diorama / scenery) - 1024 TRIANGLES, 2 512 x 512 (diffuse, spec, trans, special) (may include models from the above category without affecting the budget).

EXTRA.1 - objects for SCENE - nothing over 256 TRIANGLES, 1 128x 128 (diffuse, spec, trans, special) - MAX 20 objects.
EXTRA.2 - special effects for SCENE - nothing over 24 TRIANGLES, 1 128 x 128 (diffuse, spec, trans, special) - MAX 5 effects.

I plan on doing a SCENE. The 2 512x512 textures mean that I can have 2 diffuse, 2 spec, 2 trans and 2 special if I so wanted to? (I won't, probably, but just asking).

Also for EXTRA 1, the 256 triangles limit is for ALL the objects (20 max) included, and yet I would have to have that fit within the 1024 tris limit, right?. The question I have is, what would be considered part of the environment and what an object? For example, a bench would be considered an object even if it's a big part of the scene? Or objects would be just stuff like small bottles and other little props? Or even benches are props and all the rest (architecture) would be considered the scene?

Regarding Extra 2, would things like a texture with alpha to represent the glow of some lines be considered an effect? Or just part of the scenery?. I guess effects would be for stuff like having particles floating around or whatever?

[crashadams]

Ok I'm going to give this a shot but I am un sure of how to get started (Never participated in something like this) I'm a new student at Full Sail studying character art/game art. So far I've mostly been in concept art/3d modeling so I don't have training in advanced texturing tech quite yet.

I have a few questions,

1. Where do we start our threads for this?
2. for..DELIVERY:

Wire / editor. (Screen shot from maya with wireframe on shaded?)
In-game mockup. (Not sure what this means...pose character in front of a fake backdrop?)
Beauty / Title screen. (show character leaning against "TRON" logo with start menu off to side kind of thing?)

I apologize for my ignorance on all this but I really would like to take part in this...sounds like a lot of fun and I'd like to do more of these in the future so I figure ask now and learn :)

thanks!

[Matroskin]

sounds good :)

@ hawken - just had one question regarding Extras.
That aspect is not very clear imho.

Does it mean that ON TOP of scene tri/texture count we can ADD 20X256 worth of tris?
If so, is it mandatory to add extras to the scene?
And why could not we have just 1024+(20x256) of tris (plus same for textutre budget) or the scene and we could use it for whatever purpose we need?
I think its unlikely that Tron style demands bunch of props... Most of geo is a part of architecture, there r no dumpsters/crates etc.
If that should be extra props which only use that extra polycount i think there won't be much of use for them...

EDIT: ah, one and more question :)
"SCENE - (diorama / scenery) - 1024 TRIANGLES, 2 512 x 512 (diffuse, spec, trans, special) (may include models from the above category without affecting the budget)."

by saying that did u mean a vehicle can be added under condition that a total of a scene and a vehicle will be 1024 tris or u meant that adding a character/vehicle would not affect scene's 1024 tri limit?

thanks

[amsmntparks]

Is it cool if we do something from the movie that's not actually in the machine?
I want to do the Ducati Sport Classic the kid rides to the arcade in the trailer.
http://www.ducatinewstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Screen_shot_2010-03-11_at_7.27.06_PM.jpg

[Grindy]

Hey I'm new on this forum, can't wait to take part on this challenge!

Here's a Tron wiki ( http://tron.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Vehicles ) I found while searching for pictures... I'm probably going to do something based on the Light Runner buggy thing.

[hawken]

Hi just to clear up a few things:

threads to be started here in the challenges forum.

good point about the object budget, I'll just change this to 1024 tris. I wanted to keep this flexible as possible.

scenes have their own budget, and vehicles or player models are not included in that budget.

As for delivery, don't worry about that too much right now, but basically it means:

1. editor view (wireframes, triangle counter etc)
2. mock up of how your model looks as if it were in a game
3. beauty shot is anything you like, or rather, something you like a lot and want to show

[hawken]

updated the first post in this thread to address questions. Hope all is clear, we try to make the restrictions fair but as realistic as possible to a working environment.

[hawken]

Is it cool if we do something from the movie that's not actually in the machine?
I want to do the Ducati Sport Classic the kid rides to the arcade in the trailer.
http://www.ducatinewstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Screen_shot_2010-03-11_at_7.27.06_PM.jpg

Content accepted is anything from the movies, or fan fiction, or something else entrirely so long as it looks "TRON".

You could model the coke machine from FLYNNS arcade if you like ;) (although, that wouldn't be so interesting)

[Free_Fall]

Count me in!

Gonna make the original Tron bike :)

[renderhjs]

just a reference for the others as well,

concept art gallery for Tron 2:
http://www.cinemablend.com/gallery/previews/Tron-Legacy-4045.html

concept art for the first movie:
http://www.tron-sector.com/gallery/default.aspx?do=gallery&section=1&category=14

I already started ripping some high def textures from the HD trailers :D

[Tehrasha]

Obligatory TRON Minecraft skin....

http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/uu41/Tehrasha/mc-tron-skin.jpg

http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/uu41/Tehrasha/char_tron.png

Cant get much lower poly/texture than that.

[Dewclaw]

This is an awesome idea.

*gets to work*

[Baddcog]

thnaks for those links render

[WarrenM]

I plan on doing a SCENE. The 2 512x512 textures mean that I can have 2 diffuse, 2 spec, 2 trans and 2 special if I so wanted to? (I won't, probably, but just asking).
I was wondering this as well. Is that 2 512x512 textures for each category of texture or 2 512x512s in total, for everything?

[fearian]

Hey guys, tons of reference and inspiration in this massive gameplay session in the new tron game on giant bomb:
http://www.giantbomb.com/quick-look-ex-tron-evolution/17-3480/

[MattQ86]

Giantbomb also has a great series of videos about the (mostly entirely horrible) movie adaptations of videogames called "This Aint No Game" (TANG) and a similar feature "The Wonderful Universe of This Aint Not Game" (WUTANG), one of which covers Tron. (http://www.giantbomb.com/wonderful-universe-of-tang-tron/17-2909/)

[TheBat]

Some pretty cool (and some highres) images / reference up here as well

http://www.filmedge.net/Tron/hello/

I'm planning on doing a vehicle / object. I'll try and do a Solar Sailer. First off, scouting some reference.

[Conor]

Hey guys, tons of reference and inspiration in this massive gameplay session in the new tron game on giant bomb:
http://www.giantbomb.com/quick-look-ex-tron-evolution/17-3480/

OMG why does every game have to have wall-running now? It looks like Prince of Persia with a frisbee.

[Zerogun]

I gotta say I've been frequently checking this site, but I definitely had to join to enter this contest and officially get my feet wet.

[renderhjs]

Tron inspired Fashion:
http://kotaku.com/5692551/when-tron-meets-fashion
...Opening Ceremony's Tron-inspired line, a collaboration with Disney Consumer Products, features neoprene sock boots, bodice tanks and wool pants for the ladies, motorcycle jackets and button downs for the guys. The collection is much brighter, more vibrant than the dark world of Tron Legacy, with intense blues, oranges and yellows dominating.

[The Flying Monk]

Quick question. Using a double sided material, would this count as 1 triangle or 2?

[hawken]

As far as game engines are concerned you can't see both sides at the same time, so it's always 1

[The Flying Monk]

Ah, that makes sense. I vaguely remember something about backface culling with double sided materials. But I'm may be remembering it wrong.

[achmedthesnake]

Just bought the ' Art of Tron Legacy ' - bloody awesome concepts - it even has some character concepts on different programs and their color choices - representing the different factions in the tron world..

[renderhjs]

Wired article:
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/11/ff_tron/all/1
covering: Fuss?, History, Xerox influence, Looks

http://www.wired.com/magazine/wp-content/images/18-12/ff_tron6_f.jpg

[Conor]

I made the mistake of buying the new Tron game. Nice art I suppose but the gameplay is really bad. I only played through the singleplayer to unlock the model viewer, but unfortunately you can't zoom or control the camera at all - it just spins the models in a very distant view. Most disappointing. Whoever 'designed' the gameplay should be fired.

[The Flying Monk]

A short behind the scenes about the costume design
The most interesting thing is that the glowing lines on the suits are a practical effect and not added in post. And the electronics are hidden in the new disk design.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb--VqtpnOQ&feature=player_embedded

[Conor]

I couldn't help notice that the Final Submissions thread asks for a 480x320 in-game shot, whereas the first post in this thread specifies a 960x640 image.

I've already done mine at 960x640 (http://cokane.com/images/tron_chopper_ingame.png) - is that still admissible? I hope so as I spent ages on it and it has no AA so I can't just resize it!

By the way, the iPhone 4 runs at 960x640, conveniently enough.

[hawken]

either is fine, sorry I'll change it now

[renderhjs]

;)
http://kotaku.com/5713209/playboy-sexes-up-tron-legacy

[Joshua Stubbles]

DEADLINE:

December 27th

Eh? Was it extended 10 days then? Or is it still due on Friday? If it's Friday, is that end of day? So like, 11:59pm?

[hulkspidy51]

Quick question. For the vehicle, when you say 2 512 x 512 textures, do you mean we can use 2 512 for diffuse with an additional 2 512 for specular? Or do you mean 2 512 textures used for a diffuse and whatever else you want? Right now I have 2 textures sheets for diffuse, specular, and emissive

[Joshua Stubbles]

Quick question. For the vehicle, when you say 2 512 x 512 textures, do you mean we can use 2 512 for diffuse with an additional 2 512 for specular? Or do you mean 2 512 textures used for a diffuse and whatever else you want? Right now I have 2 textures sheets for diffuse, specular, and emissive


That's already been clarified several times, actually.

when someone says you get say, a 512, that means it's a 512 per pass. So a 512 for diffuse/alpha, 512 for spec, 512 for emissive (and so on). :D

[MattQ86]

Eh? Was it extended 10 days then? Or is it still due on Friday? If it's Friday, is that end of day? So like, 11:59pm?

I'm also wondering about this. Either way I'm aiming to have my entry done ASAP but it would be nice to know.

[Cody]

Ya is it the 27th or what?

EDIT- Ya it says this in the submission thread. -

"This thread will lock at midnight December the 27th. (week long extension)."

[Joshua Stubbles]

EXTENSION IZ SEXY! :D
Now I can sleep tonight.

[hawken]

I extended it. Actually watching Tron might come in handy

[Joshua Stubbles]

I extended it. Actually watching Tron might come in handy

<3

[TortillaChips]

I'd like to give this a try but I'm a bit late to the game. Might make a start when I don't have to go out and see people..

[hawken]

less talk

[Grindy]

Can we use Xoliul's viewport shader for 3DS Max?

[hawken]

I'd like to keep the voting for this as fair as possible. So what do people think?

Either A: lump all the entries in together
or B: 3 separate voting threads for: character, vehicle, scene

[Conor]

I think if you were to use one thread you should sort the entries by category. ie list all the character entries, then vehicles then scenes so that it's easier to compare them.

[Joshua Stubbles]

yes

[Cody]

yes2

[antonkoz]

What about having 4 categories? One for Player/Vehicle/Environment, plus another for best overall?

[hawken]

I think if you were to use one thread you should sort the entries by category. ie list all the character entries, then vehicles then scenes so that it's easier to compare them.

unfortunately the voting form doesn't have that kind of capability. It's one vote per user per item.

What I'll do is make two threads; characters and scenes. Anyone entered a character and scene will be entered into both threads.

[JonnyFiveAlive]

What about those who did only vehicles, and just threw in a mock up scene? That sort of counts them out no?

[Joshua Stubbles]

Correct. I think ultimately 4 categories are needed. One for each category and maybe an overall best of.

[Conor]

Yeah I agree with Joshua - if you can only have one vote per thread then we really need separate threads. How much of a huge pain in the ass is that Hawken? ;-)

[Grindy]

I second Conor's agreement with Joshua.

[hawken]

it is a huge pain but I made this mess so I'll deal with it. And it's christmas, so I'm feeling charitable.

[JonnyFiveAlive]

agreed :)

[Joshua Stubbles]

Any ideas on the judging system yet, Mr Hawken?

[hawken]

gimme a few days, I'll sort this out. BAH RL

[Micah]

So whats goin on about this contest? Haven't heard anything in awhile...

[Joshua Stubbles]

*cough* /pokes Hawken

[antonkoz]

So what's happening with this challenge?

[Conor]

I'm guessing the plan is to announce the results when Tron 3 comes out?

[hulkspidy51]

haha I second that. But I'm sure it'll come sometime soon. Good luck to everyone that finished

[Joshua Stubbles]

Hawken has some pressing real world issues to deal with at the moment.

[Joshua Stubbles]

*cough*

[JonnyFiveAlive]

What ever happened to this challange? Am I missing a thread / post of the winner? will there even be one?

[Conor]

I guess Hawken has given up on this due to lack of time. It would have been nice if another moderator had taken over or at least made some kind of announcement rather than just letting the contest die.

[Joshua Stubbles]

Yeah, I'd like to know about the judging on this as well. It's been months now. I'd like to clear out my Dropbox files ;D

[Joshua Stubbles]

Okay, we're coming up on the 8 month mark now. Could anyone possibly set this up for judging? Anyone? I would really like to have it out of the way. *eyeballs hawken*

[crashadams]

Yeah...I figured polycount had gone quiet for whatever reason. I went ahead and migrated over to a few other communities. Was there even much activity on here when someone was around to moderate anyway?