Tomb WIP

[Grums]

Hey,

Started making a tomb scene for UDK, its based on a piece of concept art from one of the tomb raider games. Thought I'd make a thread to get some feedback, and to try and keep me motivated to actually finish making it. I've only been making props so far, so I'd like to try and get a full scene done.

Heres the tomb raider concept its based off,

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/6200/tombraiderconcept.jpg


I changed a couple of little things from the concept, and expanded it a bit. Heres a blockout in Max to get an idea for the scene. Im going to have 2 secret passages under the pools as well.

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/7338/blockouttomb20.jpg

Also, I put the blockout into UDK to get an idea of the scale. I still have to blockout of the back or the room, it'll basically just be a large doorway in the centre of the wall.

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4844/udkblock6.jpg


http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/26/udkblock5.jpg


Started modelling the pillar that goes along the sides of the room earlier, still not sure what to do with the top of it. Keep it bare as it is, or add details to it like that on the bottom.

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6365/pillar6.jpg

[jrmenace]

Maybe arch the ceiling or add some inlays to give it some more depth

[Grums]

Yeah, I will change up the ceiling to give it a bit more detail instead of being flat. Still havent decided what to do with it.

I also textured the pillar, but im still not happy with it. I think it needs roughed up more or something, and it has some normal errors. Im trying to learn to improve my texturing, so any crits or tips on how I could improve it would be great.

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/9733/pillartestudk.jpg

[KyleJensen]

Those colors are very saturated. I think you should desaturate the colors a bit so it looks more aged rather than freshly-painted.

That "freshly-painted" look could also have to do with your spec map. In that case, you might want to turn down the specularity.

[snow]

I'm learning Zbrush as we speak. Would you mind explaining how you created a pattern around your pillar so perfectly, seems like it would be a nightmare trying to place them on with masks?

[iniside]

I'm learning Zbrush as we speak. Would you mind explaining how you created a pattern around your pillar so perfectly, seems like it would be a nightmare trying to place them on with masks?
I'm laso learning now. Did you tried to paint simpler patterns manualy ? Just turn on Radio Symmetry in Stroke Menu. Play a little with it to get used, and try to sculpt by hand some simpler patterns. I think it's much easier than trying to positon Alpha and then sculpt from it.

[Grums]

Those colors are very saturated. I think you should desaturate the colors a bit so it looks more aged rather than freshly-painted.

That "freshly-painted" look could also have to do with your spec map. In that case, you might want to turn down the specularity.

Hey, I'll try desaurating the colours a bit and tone the spec down. Thanks.


I'm learning Zbrush as we speak. Would you mind explaining how you created a pattern around your pillar so perfectly, seems like it would be a nightmare trying to place them on with masks?

Hey snow, I created everything in 3DS Max. I just put it in zbrush to give it those tiny bumpy details. I've also just started learning Zbrush, this pillar is the 1st thing I've put into it. The way Iniside mentioned is the best way to do it in zbrush. I just find it easier for me to do everything in max.

[DOG-GY]

You could get the same effect by making bumps in photoshop. Actually, that whole pillar could probably be done faster in photoshop.

However, it looks great so far. If you can capture the mood and age a little bit better this could be a fantastic piece.

E: Microdetails can be lost in a bad bake, but if you do them in a 2D application and add them in they'll always be happy and can hide flaws and/or improve your bake.

[SaferDan]

that pillar is awesomes :) i love the colours even if they arent appropriate for the scene!

[Mistry10]

killer pillar !

[SasoDuck]

Nice concept man!

[ParoXum]

Nice but your cool shapes on the pillar HP are lost during the bake, because you didn't make beveled edges, it goes 90° in your HP edges and then after the bake, the only thing that helps sell those shapes' depth is the AO.

[Grums]

Thanks for all the replies.

Nice but your cool shapes on the pillar HP are lost during the bake, because you didn't make beveled edges, it goes 90° in your HP edges and then after the bake, the only thing that helps sell those shapes' depth is the AO.

Hey ParoXum, I keep forgetting that beveling the edges helps the normal. I've read about that a few times now, but always forget to bevel them. I'll go back bevel the edges and rebake the normal. I might try baking it via x-normal as well instead of Max. Have been reading through some topics here and it seems x-normal is better.

DOG-GY - Yeah, I will try and get it to look more aged. I think it looks to new for the scene at the minute, and doesnt suit.

[jrmenace]

pillar looking nice, little shiny tho.One thing thats making it look wierd also is how everything is red and yellow maybe change it up thro some oranges in there or some paler more desatureted in blended with. I like those () pattern i dunt think u should reallychange the colors theres but the bevels n such along the base maybe add some variation or make to make it lookd aged like u said

[Grums]

Hey,

Been quite busy latley so I havent had much time to work on this, but I've made some some progress over the last few days. Thought I'd post what I got done so far for some feedback and crits. Will get the rest of it finished after halloween.

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/4752/udkt2.jpg


http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/6055/udkt3.jpg


Im gonna make a texture for the floor next, then model the pools, walkway, doorway into the room and maybe the skeletons to. The only thing im not sure what to do with is the ceiling, I think it would be to basic flat. But havent got any ideas for what to add to it.

Also, are there any good tutorials out there for UDK's particle editor? I want create a glowing orb and animate tiny particles moving around it. But am unsure how to go about it.

Thanks.

[Ampaist]

eat 3d has a dust tuts its pretty good its a free tut. u could keep the roof basicly a stoney pic with just abit of details here and there and around the stone at least it will give u something to work with

[jrmenace]

make an inlay of some sort with crown molding in stone.....lemme find fewlinks http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://lh3.ggpht.com/_QrZ6v_cxxz0/SAvxtXNOjkI/AAAAAAAABNo/HHTah9Gc5c8/DSC_1264.JPG&imgrefurl=http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/j6lH6pozzFLVgwlWoApMqA&usg=__93xFvlUFRqttTFaELnHbv6gUMqg=&h=1064&w=1600&sz=226&hl=en&start=62&zoom=0&tbnid=VIfLS_XXbdQG3M:&tbnh=100&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtomb%2Bceilings%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26 sa%3DN%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox%26rlz%3D1I7ACAW_enUS375US375%26biw%3D157 9%26bih%3D627%26tbs%3Disch:10%2C1690&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=192&vpy=166&dur=279&hovh=100&hovw=150&tx=107&ty=59&ei=LdzMTMy0KIKBlAek_cnkCA&oei=FdzMTL-yL8H78Abk_-SXAQ&esq=4&page=4&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:7,s:62&biw=1579&bih=627 -for inlay ideas http://lh3.ggpht.com/_omaV5A2rCh8/SJa_4Sd_chI/AAAAAAAACfk/yn8ocwDS00I/Korea+092.jpg

[Grums]

Thanks jrmenace, the pic you posted looks great. Is exactly the sort of thing I was looking for.

Ampaist : Thanks, I will check out that Eat3d particle tutorial.

[Grums]

Thought I'd post up a little more progress.

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4734/udkt12.jpg

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/723/udkt13.jpg

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/6443/udkt5.jpg


Made some progress on the floor and roof, have to go back and fix some things with the floor. One of the cracks never turned out right. Probably because I seem to be rushing everything now, even though I know I shouldnt be.

Also im gonna add some decorative things around the sides of the ceiling were it extrudes up. Or have some wooden beams going across, with chains hanging from them holding fire urns. Either that or ill add some torches on the pillars.

I was also thinking of maybe trying to model a long dragon statue, and placing it in the gap bewten the roof and above the pillars. Would be a good learning experience, as I've never tried modelling any type of creature.

Gotta read up on UDK's lighting to!! Also that red orb light thing is from UDK, will make my own when I check out that Eat 3D vid.