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Shogun3d
06-14-2010, 09:02 AM
http://e3.gamespot.com/press-conference/microsoft-e3/

If you guys are interested, should be a good watch.

It's live and begins 10am pst, 12pm cst, 1pm est.

MRico
06-14-2010, 09:16 AM
Thanks for the link, buddy!

Flava-Fly
06-14-2010, 09:16 AM
Love E3 time! I'm such a geek :<

Shogun3d
06-14-2010, 10:09 AM
http://www.gametrailers.com/e3/livefeed/microsoft

alternative

IEatApples
06-14-2010, 10:12 AM
Starts in 20 mins, might as well watch. Going to guess it will be mostly about their new controller, the kinect.

crazyfingers
06-14-2010, 10:20 AM
Ugh, maybe it's a good thing they're going to motion control because these animations blow nuts.

Edit: I take that back, the Dust game looks AMAZING

IEatApples
06-14-2010, 10:39 AM
Zzz mine wont load, damn buffering.

Gilgamesh
06-14-2010, 10:41 AM
Underwhelmed by CoD:blackops that's for sure.

crazyfingers
06-14-2010, 10:44 AM
I'm kinda underwhelemed by Hideo's English, but like black ops that's to be expected.

"Allow me to pass da touch to my young designer".

Gilgamesh
06-14-2010, 10:48 AM
Commence rolling eyes movement, it's Cliffy B


But oooh, 4 player co-op on screen footage.

mheyman
06-14-2010, 10:54 AM
gears looks like typical gears... peter molyneux time :D

Lee3dee
06-14-2010, 10:55 AM
4 player coop gear3 looks awesome!

Gilgamesh
06-14-2010, 11:05 AM
Halo reach, meh. Fable 3 looks quite interesting though.

mheyman
06-14-2010, 11:08 AM
... space flight combat in halo, how stupid.. I hate it when games tack on some unrefined gameplay on top of core gameplay. It's why games like Dark Void failed.. tried to do too much.

But it's Halo, I guess it'll be fun, I'll hold judgement for now.

crazyfingers
06-14-2010, 11:09 AM
I was actually really impressed by Halo, they really polished the hell out of everything. The particles in particular were stellar.

All this Kinect stuff made me think of this:
http://www.bitterfilms.com/rejected-4-300.jpg

Rick Stirling
06-14-2010, 11:14 AM
The Kinect video demo is so forced and cringeworthy.

Jesse Moody
06-14-2010, 11:14 AM
stupid chicks.... just get naked and make this worthwhile....

aesir
06-14-2010, 11:14 AM
These two girls are the worst speakers ever. Hire some actresses dammit!!

Lee3dee
06-14-2010, 11:14 AM
The Kinect video demo is so forced and cringeworthy.

Yeah, at least try to make it look fun.

crazyfool
06-14-2010, 11:16 AM
they should do away with all this social gaming bulls**t for the press conferences, its too boring!!!!!!

mheyman
06-14-2010, 11:17 AM
so other than the crytek video... I've seen like nothing new.. this kinect / espn bullshit is nothing i care about. microsoft better pull some magic out of their ass!

Rick Stirling
06-14-2010, 11:22 AM
ESPN has zero interest for me, but those two guys had better presentation skills than the rest.

Wonder if ESPN and Netflix will move outside the US only?

crazyfool
06-14-2010, 11:25 AM
'TIGER ATTACK little girl'

Jesse Moody
06-14-2010, 11:27 AM
haha... mod that game... hey skittles... awe is that blood on your chin? what did you do... NO ****GROWLS**** omg skittles why are you attacking me.....

crazyfool
06-14-2010, 11:29 AM
haha I can only think of south park now with the woodland critters, 'THEYRE RAPING ME, THEYRE RAPING ME!!!!!' haha

Gilgamesh
06-14-2010, 11:29 AM
Kinect .. not interested, just give some decent games ffs.

Em.
06-14-2010, 11:30 AM
Quickly devolved into a really bad infomercial complete with fake enthusiasm, catch phrases and a dude with a British accent.

mheyman
06-14-2010, 11:32 AM
this is now officially cringeworthy. they should just rename themselves nintendo and stop making games... Literally the worst e3 press conference I've ever seen.

I'm still holding out for something awesome... don't think it's gonna happen.

Gilgamesh
06-14-2010, 11:32 AM
And a pimp presenting it ...

aesir
06-14-2010, 11:33 AM
I feel like, if anything, kinect will create some really good workout "games" for people.

crazyfingers
06-14-2010, 11:35 AM
In japan they use these body position games to humiliate people and entertain others.

This kinect product is going to crash and burn pretty fast me thinks, the novelty is simply gone. I don't know anyone who plays their wii any more.

Gilgamesh
06-14-2010, 11:36 AM
I feel like, if anything, kinect will create some really good workout "games" for people.


Was thinking the same thing actually.

Calabi
06-14-2010, 11:36 AM
I can see all these Kinect type games killing off gaming altogether, you know we're doing all the actions already we might as well go outside and do the real thing.

aesir
06-14-2010, 11:37 AM
I can see all these Kinect type games killing off gaming altogether, you know we're doing all the actions already we might as well go outside and do the real thing.

but that requires friends...

crazyfool
06-14-2010, 11:39 AM
I hope sonys conference isnt taken up with their motion controls. I remember when these used to be awesome :(

Calabi
06-14-2010, 11:39 AM
but that requires friends...

so does the kinect.

seforin
06-14-2010, 11:40 AM
awesome they showed off some of the stuff I worked on for the avateer's (adventerers or whatever) during the river rush rapid game :)

PogoP
06-14-2010, 11:42 AM
Oh hey, it's EyeToy! Oh wait.............

Cojax
06-14-2010, 11:42 AM
This just got really boring.

Gilgamesh
06-14-2010, 11:44 AM
Fitness one looks ok, about the only thing that does for it so far.

oh f**k no not a dancing game.

IronHawk
06-14-2010, 11:46 AM
dance game looks fun. wifey would play it too.

crazyfool
06-14-2010, 11:46 AM
work out until you have a heart attack = 10 gamerpoints

haha, yea fitness didnt look too bad actually,

Jesse Moody
06-14-2010, 11:47 AM
NOW WE JUST NEED A STRIPPING GAME!!! Please, Please, Please....

crazyfingers
06-14-2010, 11:48 AM
Yeah, the dance game could actually be kinda fun in the right circumstances, maybe a peripheral pusher.

Rofl, Jesse, was thinking the same thing when the chick was taking her sweater off.

PixelMasher
06-14-2010, 11:48 AM
holy shit this kinect is like watching a car crash in slow motion. super fake enthusiasm, shitttttty animations and games that just dont look fun. and the crowd is just not impressed either, barely any applause.

i missed the gears stuff earlier. lame

Gilgamesh
06-14-2010, 11:48 AM
That's a XBLA addon that will be designed Jesse .... Connect with "friends" then do the "pole dance" and you can "donate" Xbox points to your "friend".

Jesse Moody
06-14-2010, 11:50 AM
That's a XBLA addon that will be designed Jesse .... Connect with "friends" then do the "pole dance" and you can "donate" Xbox points to your "friend".


YES YES YES.... Now thats a title I could get behind...

mheyman
06-14-2010, 11:54 AM
Star wars game looks like a rail shooter... guess they couldnt figure out a way to do movement without a controller... bet they feel stupid now :/

Wahlgren
06-14-2010, 11:55 AM
I clearly missed the coolest parts. I joined in when they started with the "make a call to your twinsister"-part...

"Wow" "That is so cooool." "Hey, wasn't there a game about that?" "Yeah my coworkes played it to increase their gamerscore, hu hu hu" "Maybe you should too" "Heeeey!"

GAWDE!!!!! *throws fists into the air and walks out*

Gilgamesh
06-14-2010, 11:58 AM
Shiney 360 ... woopdefreakingdoo

aesir
06-14-2010, 11:58 AM
so how many times per year do you have to send the new 360 back to microsoft to get fixed?

Wahlgren
06-14-2010, 12:00 PM
-1 this time i guess. Did they just get it for free? :/

Calabi
06-14-2010, 12:00 PM
Finally they've redesigned the 360.

Jesse Moody
06-14-2010, 12:00 PM
i like the new design and being avail this week is pretty nice.

Gilgamesh
06-14-2010, 12:00 PM
Yup, bastards. Bet those will hit ebay tonight ...

almighty_gir
06-14-2010, 12:01 PM
free new 360 for all those guys?

assholes =[

IronHawk
06-14-2010, 12:02 PM
Gears is looking pretty sweet so is the new Metal Gear. :)

Calabi
06-14-2010, 12:02 PM
Hopefully no more red rings of death.

crazyfingers
06-14-2010, 12:02 PM
My favorite part of that conference was solid snake cutting watermelons.

Wahlgren
06-14-2010, 12:03 PM
New xbox is pretty nice though. I need one with all the new fancy gizmos in it. I have the first edition, first draft-one. I imagine it has gears and is run on steam.

Built in wifi. Big hd + hdmi. Yes please.

mheyman
06-14-2010, 12:04 PM
The Good: MGS Rising, Crytek game (no gameplay, no info)

The Bad: The other 2 hours of useless shit. Omg that was fuckin awful. They announced no new games really. Gears 3, Halo Reach? Cool, but I already knew about them. That was disappointing.

aesir
06-14-2010, 12:05 PM
I think sony is going to destroy everyone this year. (i hope)

Shogun3d
06-14-2010, 12:06 PM
(voice)

"Xbox, Porn"

(mother in other room)

"What was that Jimmy?"

(son)

"uhhh nothing, Corn!"

aesir
06-14-2010, 12:07 PM
also Harmonix was the most aweosme part of this conference, and I don't even like dance games!

crazyfool
06-14-2010, 12:07 PM
New gears environments looked really nice, too much kinect though, Im actually dreading sonys conference now :( hopefully they concentrate on games and not becoming the new facebook like xbox wants to be.

crazyfingers
06-14-2010, 12:08 PM
http://redivide.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/eating-corn.jpg

EVIL
06-14-2010, 12:08 PM
metal gear rising looked great! so going to buy that game! and the guys in the audience getting a new xbox, damn! but yeah, after the intro games, not really impressed with what they where showing. hopefully EA's and ubisoft's press conferences are a bit cooler later today

Jesse Moody
06-14-2010, 12:09 PM
arcades been discounted down to 149 thats pretty sweet

Gilgamesh
06-14-2010, 12:12 PM
I think sony is going to destroy everyone this year. (i hope)


I hope so, and I am usually a 360 fanboi. But they need their asses kicked into shape. Hopefully new ps3 slim or something or a massive price cut :P

aesir
06-14-2010, 12:15 PM
I hope so, and I am usually a 360 fanboi. But they need their asses kicked into shape. Hopefully new ps3 slim or something or a massive price cut :P

Well, they're gonna push the Move really heavily. But they seem to be really focusing in on hardcore games using it unlike microsoft which is focusing on the casual market, which gives me hope for a kickass shooter.

catstyle
06-14-2010, 12:21 PM
yeah the kinect stuff is blatantly for the casual market, i think only little kids will enjoy it. unless eventually they make a decent hardcore game out of it somehow, but highly unlikely

Gilgamesh
06-14-2010, 12:23 PM
Just as the bubble is bursting for the Wii ... M$ moves into the failing market /rolls eyes.

3DLee
06-14-2010, 12:25 PM
Those fake grins during the Kinects stuff were freakin' terrifying.

moose
06-14-2010, 12:26 PM
I hope sonys conference isnt taken up with their motion controls. I remember when these used to be awesome :(

http://cache-03.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/06/oe2-w800.jpg

slim chance?

Skamberin
06-14-2010, 12:30 PM
Well I found it interesting and liked most of it. Microsoft seems to have gotten marketing done proper, the games shown with kinect and the demonstrations were (although horribly cheesy acting wise) informative enough to make me interested in the entire thing. Reach, Gears, Rising, Fable etc looked pretty damn cool. Especially Gears and Halo looked fun. All the extra stuff for xbox live such as ESPN isn't of much use to me but it's cool to see Microsoft bringing so much to their platform.

Overall I was very impressed, and ending it with the new and hot looking xbox did it for me. It's specs and price means I'll get an xbox again :) I don't regret selling my ps3 now.

Next press conference is EA for me, then possibly Sony, don't know if I'll bother with Nintendo, seeing how Sony and Microsoft have already trumped them in everything now.

overall a good start for this years E3.

Gilgamesh
06-14-2010, 12:32 PM
Console gaming is domed

Hardcore gamers return to the PC? :P

crazyfingers
06-14-2010, 12:33 PM
Console gaming is domed

Hardcore gamers return to the PC? :P

My thoughts exactly, err minus the "domed"

haiddasalami
06-14-2010, 12:33 PM
PC YEAH...I only play my ps3 for console exclusives.

Skamberin
06-14-2010, 12:34 PM
Always been a PC gamer at heart, but, man. The community is just starting to piss me off :P Everyone is a videogame expert. Sometimes I just want to play a game with someone who goes "hey that was an awesome thing happening in the game" instead of a jaded analysis of the same thing. I found the former more often when I played console games.

Anyway, EA is up in 1 hour and 30 minutes, Valve also comes then mayhaps?

danshewan
06-14-2010, 12:35 PM
Hardcore gamers return to the PC? :P

Some of us never left...

haiddasalami
06-14-2010, 12:48 PM
Always been a PC gamer at heart, but, man. The community is just starting to piss me off :P Everyone is a videogame expert. Sometimes I just want to play a game with someone who goes "hey that was an awesome thing happening in the game" instead of a jaded analysis of the same thing. I found the former more often when I played console games.

Anyway, EA is up in 1 hour and 30 minutes, Valve also comes then mayhaps?

they actually had a separate conference then cancelled it :(

3DLee
06-14-2010, 12:48 PM
Some of us never left...

This!

Richard Kain
06-14-2010, 12:55 PM
I find the 360-slim announcement interesting. I can't help but recall the famed "Saturn Incident." Retailers across North America are going to be PISSED at Microsoft. Most of them are going to be left holding 360 hardware that they will have to discount heavily to get rid of. It is at least good that they made this announcement at this time of year. If this had come just before the holidays the damage would have been even worse. I'm thinking this is going to backfire a litte for Microsoft.

I'm okay with the Kinect and its line-up. It's obviously very casual-focused, but that's just their attempt to get some of that sweet Wii-cash. There's no telling at this point if it will actually work or not. I was especially impressed with the ESPN integration they have planned. That's actually a good way to get a lot of "core" 360 owners interested. I know a lot of sports nuts who only own a 360.

Skamberin
06-14-2010, 01:00 PM
they actually had a separate conference then cancelled it :(
http://i45.tinypic.com/35i390x.png

Autocon
06-14-2010, 01:00 PM
Knect (dumbest name ever) looks like its just the Wii without a controler.

The Move is just a better Wii mote.

Fail to both IMO. Then again I havent seen what Sony has to show for the Move yet but I bet it will be about the same as Microsoft. Casual games/Wii ports with better graphics.

Nothing really exciting or new this year at all. Beyond the console redesign which seems odd to me. With the whole Knect push of casual/family friendly they are ditching the soft curved look of the old Xbox for a more angled agressive look? Very odd choice IMO.


Was cool when the whole studio gathered around 1 TV in the office to watch our game getting showed off :)

Skamberin
06-14-2010, 01:02 PM
Was cool when the whole studio gathered around 1 TV in the office to watch our game getting showed off :)
Good job on that ;) It's one of the main reasons I'm getting a 360 again.

Rwolf
06-14-2010, 01:07 PM
Is it just me, or does the new xbox look horribly designed/ugly?

Skamberin
06-14-2010, 01:09 PM
I think it looks pretty sleek and cool. So I guess it's entirely subjective 8D

Gilgamesh
06-14-2010, 01:09 PM
I like the gloss black (fits with the rest of my equipment :P), the whisper quiet and the built in wireless but yer I think it looks a touch odd for some reason.

Zipfinator
06-14-2010, 01:14 PM
The new 360 is looking a bit too angular and less curved/sleek than the current 360. What it looks like really doesn't matter though if the new features are good. Hopefully the built in Wi-Fi is better than the crappy $100 peripheral and the whisper quiet better not mean it's going to overheat every hour. I don't really care about the giant HDD though as I've had my 20 gig for about 3 years and have never come close to filling it. I guess it'd be useful to those who download netflix movies and tons of DLC/Demos.

moose
06-14-2010, 01:23 PM
come on now, they spent a lot of time on kinect, doesnt mean we have to in here, you guys are just as boring :) In all seriousness - that 2 person tubing game looks fucking fun!!!! wasnt soo excited about the platform dodging one, but if there are more games like the tubing one, that' rule. I thought the exercise stuff looked great, tahts really exciting stuff.

XBOX, ENGAGE.
make it so.

METAL GEAR: RISING OMGGGGGGG looks hot!

EVIL
06-14-2010, 01:25 PM
Next press conference is EA for me, then possibly Sony, don't know if I'll bother with Nintendo, seeing how Sony and Microsoft have already trumped them in everything now.

overall a good start for this years E3.
!!!, what about the 3DS!?

Andreas
06-14-2010, 01:28 PM
Uh, and Zelda.

The new 360 looks overdesigned, but its the gubbins inside that matter; and they are awesome. Integrated wifi finally!!! :D

Skamberin
06-14-2010, 01:36 PM
Never cared much for handhelds as I'm not a traveler and I'm one of those who think every Zelda game is the same one with new visuals :P

tommywomble
06-14-2010, 01:42 PM
I facepalmed through my face at the videochat demo with those 2 women.

Also, i don't think they focused on kinect or casual games enough, definately need more of that.

/sarcasm

Andreas
06-14-2010, 02:14 PM
Never cared much for handhelds as I'm not a traveler and I'm one of those who think every Zelda game is the same one with new visuals :P

Don't think I've ever turned on my DS or PSP on the bus etc...always use indoors, my ass on the couch, with a load of mates.

Also, part of the appeal of the Zelda series is how it takes the old gameplay/story landmarks and spins it... The Gears generation just don't get that. (HATED twilight princess though).

PolyHertz
06-14-2010, 02:48 PM
Really? I'm playing through Twilight Princess for the first time (gamecube version) right now. Its got some problems, but overall Im enjoying it. Hated Wind Waker and didnt really enjoy Oot much either (never played MM or the DS ones). Link to the Past on snes was amazing back in the day though, and I think its actually aged very well.

mheyman
06-14-2010, 02:54 PM
The only thing I don't get is why they made the new 360 a fingerprint magnet like my PS3. I already have a bitch of a time dusting that thing and cleaning off the smudges.

Guess it doesn't matter, don't plan on getting a new 360 anyways. Just seems odd they'd switch over to look like a sony xbox.

ErichWK
06-14-2010, 03:09 PM
I gotta admit... Crysis 2 impressed me.. immensely.

teaandcigarettes
06-14-2010, 03:15 PM
I'm not to eager to play it (simpy because I had played too many FPS's in the past few months) but damn. They had to use some forbidden voodoo magic to pull it off on a 360.

Skamberin
06-14-2010, 03:24 PM
Don't think I've ever turned on my DS or PSP on the bus etc...always use indoors, my ass on the couch, with a load of mates.

Also, part of the appeal of the Zelda series is how it takes the old gameplay/story landmarks and spins it... The Gears generation just don't get that. (HATED twilight princess though).
Not a Gears gen guy. A link to the past is among my best gaming experiences, behind Ocarina of Time. Just feel it's time Nintendo actually did something new :P
I also fear the new Zelda will have a "Oh are you having trouble with the game? here, this is how you should play it *start game mastrubation*".
But who knows, I might watch it anyway, not loosing anything by doing so.

HonkyPunch
06-14-2010, 06:13 PM
Metal Gear rising is make me hard
just this past friday my friend and I were discussing it, and I said "What if, like, in the new metal gear game, you could like... cut through ANYTHING?"
and..
and..
You can.

crazyfingers
06-14-2010, 06:39 PM
The sequals gonna have extruding!

That random thought has me thinking about a game where you make game art by kicking the sh*t out of people.

Skamberin
06-14-2010, 07:04 PM
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2010-xbox-live/101418 Microsoft, SHOWING THESE ACTUALLY MATTERS.

Joshua Stubbles
06-14-2010, 07:37 PM
The conference focused heavily on the Kinect because it's NEW HARDWARE - that's not exactly a surprise. Only the small casual games are going to require it's use - nothing hardcore. If you don't like it, don't use it, it's not rocket science.

Playing with the units at work, I've found it's very much like a Wii - fun with friends. Would I sit there playing it by myself, waving my arms around? No, of course not. The fitness programs certainly look entertaining and I would use them, but I definitely see Kinect as a party system.

And hey, I thought our work on Forza was the best damn Kinect demo shown! ;)

Skamberin
06-14-2010, 08:02 PM
And hey, I thought our work on Forza was the best damn Kinect demo shown! ;)
That car at the end, Jesus. The heck is the polycount for that thing? just insane!
I'm not really much of a car person, but, that I'm actually interesting.

Also on the Kinect, can you say anything about how many frames of your movement it captures and how quickly it does this? Seemed to be about a second of lag or so on the press conference.

Rwolf
06-14-2010, 08:44 PM
And hey, I thought our work on Forza was the best damn Kinect demo shown! ;)

Will you guys ever fix the tailight shader / coloured transparency on these car models? It bugs me as a fellow car modeller.

Joshua Stubbles
06-14-2010, 09:51 PM
What's wrong with them? I don't touch the cars, so I haven't noticed anything immediately wrong with them.

ZacD
06-14-2010, 10:00 PM
I need to get a 360 or a ps3, I'm not too excited about the design of the 'new' 360 (it doesn't have a name, which is silly). But you can't complain about (hopefully) better cooling, less noise, wifi, bigger HDD. but the power brick is still huge, and it is kinda an uglier version of the original ps3 and the black wii.

Racer445
06-14-2010, 10:52 PM
perhaps it's time for me to finally get a 360, though my money would likely be better spent on a neo geo... seriously, neo geo is the shit!

i like the new design. it looks more like a stealth fighter instead of a commercial airliner with its sharp angles and lack of curves. apparently the front buttons don't require touching either which seems like it could be accidentally triggered easily. i'm also not crazy about the shiny black finish as we all know how badly it attracts fingerprints, and matte would be way cooler for that stealthy look anyway.

it's also clearly meant to stand up which makes me wonder if they fixed the problem with it destroying discs in that configuration.

Marshal Banana
06-14-2010, 11:56 PM
I'm thinking this is going to backfire a litte for Microsoft.

I hope it does. They deserve it.

Skamberin
06-15-2010, 07:19 AM
I hope it does. They deserve it.
But, what? What have they done to deserve it?

Richard Kain
06-15-2010, 08:23 AM
But, what? What have they done to deserve it?

They pulled a new, improved version of their hardware out on an unsuspecting populace. For the video game players, this is all well and good. Their might be a little regret for anyone who bought a 360 in the past month or so. But the rest of us certainly don't mind having more options.

But this was a royally dick move for retailers. Microsoft managed to keep this under wraps for a good long time. Now stores across North America are going to have heaps of older, inferior 360s sitting around at the same price as the newer, shinier models. Stores are going to have to steeply discount their outdated 360s just to get rid of them. If this announcement had come along with a price reduction on the older models, it would have eased the transition somewhat. As it stands, this is going to piss off a lot of retailers. And with new hardware that Microsoft wants to move for this year's holiday season, they can't afford to fall out of grace with brick-and-mortar.

When Sony announced the PS3-slim, they gave retailers more than a month to clear out older stock. And the feature set of the PS3 slim was not far removed from the original PS3. Plenty of people were willing to accept a slight price cut or a packed-in game to get a PS3 fat instead of a PS3 slim. They also announced the PS3 slim alongside a fat price reduction for the original model as well as the new model. That was the proper way to handle a new console model without upsetting the retail chain.

As far as the Kinect goes, I want to see a new River City Ransom game for it.

Skamberin
06-15-2010, 08:27 AM
They pulled a new, improved version of their hardware out on an unsuspecting populace. For the video game players, this is all well and good. Their might be a little regret for anyone who bought a 360 in the past month or so. But the rest of us certainly don't mind having more options.

But this was a royally dick move for retailers. Microsoft managed to keep this under wraps for a good long time. Now stores across North America are going to have heaps of older, inferior 360s sitting around at the same price as the newer, shinier models. Stores are going to have to steeply discount their outdated 360s just to get rid of them. If this announcement had come along with a price reduction on the older models, it would have eased the transition somewhat. As it stands, this is going to piss off a lot of retailers. And with new hardware that Microsoft wants to move for this year's holiday season, they can't afford to fall out of grace with brick-and-mortar.

When Sony announced the PS3-slim, they gave retailers more than a month to clear out older stock. And the feature set of the PS3 slim was not far removed from the original PS3. Plenty of people were willing to accept a slight price cut or a packed-in game to get a PS3 fat instead of a PS3 slim. They also announced the PS3 slim alongside a fat price reduction for the original model as well as the new model. That was the proper way to handle a new console model without upsetting the retail chain.

As far as the Kinect goes, I want to see a new River City Ransom game for it.
Last I checked Gamestop already has a "trade in your old xbox and another thing to get the new one" deal going.

Also I'd the strange if Microsoft marketers just RANDOMLY decides to drop this without even thinking about informing retailers about it first. How else could they be in stores within this week? I'm pretty sure Microsoft let some retail chains know about it before everyone else. People were just good at keeping their mouth shut.

Also this is honestly not enough of a reason to hope they fail.

Jesse Moody
06-15-2010, 08:28 AM
RK... They did say there was a price cut on all the older consoles though...

Richard Kain
06-15-2010, 08:33 AM
I'm pretty sure Microsoft let some retail chains know about it before everyone else. People were just good at keeping their mouth shut.

Also this is honestly not enough of a reason to hope they fail.

People are never good at keeping their mouths shut. Have you seen any big sales on the older XBox 360 hardware recently? Because I haven't. If they had given the major retail chains even a few weeks prior warning, they would have been scrambling to empty their current stock. No, I'm thinking if Microsoft clued anyone in to this announcement, it was only a few days ago, certainly no more than one week.

I don't necessarily think they should fail. It was Marshall Bannana who said that. I am just pointing out that this surprise announcement strategy is very risky.

Richard Kain
06-15-2010, 08:34 AM
RK... They did say there was a price cut on all the older consoles though...

Wasn't that just for the Arcade models though? I'm pretty sure the previous Elite models aren't being dropped in price. (the most comparable models to the new version)

moose
06-15-2010, 08:38 AM
They're dropping the price of the old 360s, so they aren't that inferior (they will miss some features like built in wifi... which costs $60), they're more affordable. Sure, they may not be reflective, have angled vents, a touch button, or a new hard drive configuration that isnt compatible with all their harddrives they sell for it... but its the "Apple" way. The people who must have it, will get it, while the older versions get marked down, so everyone else who either didn't, or couldn't own one can now.

I'm super stoked, I still have my launch 360, with a vrry small harddrive. can finally get a new one, and start playing games again. I havent been able too, since i procrastinate with getting a new HD :) Monster Hunter 3 also gets in the way, if only they'd release it for the 360!!!!

Zack Fowler
06-15-2010, 08:54 AM
Come on, dude.

http://kotaku.com/5563430/xbox-360-drops-price-on-tuesday-morning

I find it hard to believe that Microsoft would do this without helping subsidize the discount. Either way, why upset on behalf of retailers? As far as we know Microsoft cut a deal with the corporate guys at major retailers and just didn't pass the word all the way down the line to franchisees to prevent leaks, and hasn't made a formal announcement because they want to keep the consumer focus on their shiny new hardware.

Marshal Banana
06-15-2010, 11:41 AM
Actually, it's 'cause I'm still mad at Microsoft for buying out Caligari, and then pretty much immediately cutting their funding and killing Truespace and its community.

Rwolf
06-15-2010, 12:25 PM
What's wrong with them? I don't touch the cars, so I haven't noticed anything immediately wrong with them.

The colours for the them are always washed out in comparison to the real car (desaturated). I discovered the same problem when rendering my cars in mental ray. The problem was the transparency map was greyscale, and would reduce the saturation of the texture in trade for transparency. The fix was using the inverted colour of the texture along with a weight map to control the tranparency.

I don't know what the game engine is capable of so I'm not sure what would be causing the washed out colours. I know it's been doing this since forza2. Not sure about forza1 since I haven't touched that in ages :P

Autocon
06-15-2010, 11:11 PM
I wonder how long it will be till Microsoft releases a "wand controler" for Kinect. I doubt it will be too long. I just cant see the system being viable for anything but games you wave your hands at the TV and games on rails.

I like the whole minority report style of it all but you need a controller to actually have real gameplay.


Need Natal/Move hybrid.