TF2 - Polypack - Swizzle (2)

[Hotdogbunker]

I really like 5 and 6, but the new 4 I like a lot.

[4_Thirty_5]

I like 4 and 5. A lightly smoked visor would be better than purely clear.

[Swizzle]

Wow, lots of response to these.

Initially I wasn't a huge fan of the face shield idea and I was leaning more towards using some goggles instead. Now that I've thrown together some blockouts in 3D, I like the face shield better.

Here are some ideas I tried out. I'm probably going to run with some variation of #2.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/xkostolny/demopack_screen_021-1.jpg

[Hotdogbunker]

Really nice. Yeah I'm digging 2 as well. But could you add damage to the faceguard like in 3 and 4? That would add some character to it.

[Swizzle]

There'll definitely be damage.

[Psyke]

chances of this being called the bomberman?

[Dr. Waldo Fehr]

I really like #3, it reminds me of something from MegaMan.

[Norron]

Number 2 looks the best.

Also, Number 3 totally makes the demoman look like Captain Falcon. Just thought you should know.

[jgoodroad]

FALCO PUNCH!
I would go with one or two, but I like the Idea of the visor being broken...

EDIT: I am split here, I REALLY like your weapons, but other demo packs are making new shields...and I DO love shields...

*nudge nudge, wink wink*

[Simski]

Balls, I don't like the shield at all >:
I feel 1 and 2 makes him look like a riot police, and 3 and 4 just looks ugly.

It's a shame you abandoned the goggles.

[JigglesMcGee]

For the #3 and #4 ideas, you could leave out the side of the goggles (maybe smashed?) where he has his eye-patch o:

[Blueplastic]

2...favorite

[Mizzymizzy]

It looks a little bit modern. But I'm not an expert :)

[Hotdogbunker]

chances of this being called the bomberman?

That would be hilarious. Believe it or not this was on google images:
http://th08.deviantart.net/fs48/300W/f/2009/230/0/a/BOMBERMAN__demoman__by_DDRrez.jpg

[Cheeezy]

I wish demoman had this type bomb:
http://poseidondivingteam.com/contents/media/bomb.jpg

[Khthon]

I agree that #2 is a good idea. I hope you consider having it like the Hotrod where the shield goes up or down based on what he's doing.

For example, having the shield up when his melee is out but down when he's holding an explosive weapon.

[Simski]

Please consider using goggles again D:
I just think the whole glass shield thing doesn't fit the TF2 theme at all >:

[rooster]

no.2
glass shield doesnt bother me
I'd consider shortening it maybe a touch and/or tilting it up a smidge more so his face is still plenty in view.
depends on how smoky you're going to make the visor mat too, looks quite dark. With some env map on it it should be pretty obviously 'there'

[Yanma024]

4 looks like Capt. Falcon's helmet.
I'd prefer goggles, but what I'm thinking of might look more like a fighter pilot's helmet.

[Zx573]

I don't think 3 and 4 work, it seems like they don't really match the theme you are using since they would offer little protection against explosions. So i think 1 is the best.

[Jamesbond]

Maybe you can do something like this http://www.army-technology.com/contractor_images/beijinganlong/1-anti-riot-helmet.jpg
It might look better on the demo and have a more interesting look when you put some damages on it.

[SixTwoSixFour]

http://imgur.com/FxJAX.jpg
I would go with number 2.

[spetch]

funny, I was about to post a riot mask too like jamesbond. The grill itself would be alot of extra geo. The only other ones I find are gas masks and that's not going to work.

I actually don't mind 1 but it's way too opaque. Maybe something more clear with a more intense spec. The material should do the rest. The viewport screenshot is deceiving.
https://store.nexternal.com/armynavy/images/Ant-Riot-Tactical-Helmet1.gif
2 is ok but it gets too much in the way. This stuff is looking great...love the gun.

[Priest of Syrinx]

http://imgur.com/FxJAX.jpg
I would go with number 2.

So I wasn't alone on that one. : D

FALCON BOMB

I'd be playing demoman constantly.

[Gerrund]

What would 1 and 2 look like with damage on the left side of the face shield?

[WtS. Simon]

i like #1 of the helmets :D

[Swizzle]

I hear what you guys are saying about goggles, and I still like the goggle idea, but I simply don't think it'd work all that well with the other things I have going here. I like the current helmet and I don't think goggles would look all that great with it, or they're at least not as fitting with the theme as a face shield is.

That said, Captain Falcon will not be happening. Sorry to disappoint.

As for making the face shield come down depending on the action, I don't know how to do that. I think it's something Valve would have to do.

I don't yet know what kind of shader magic I'll need to pull to get the face shield looking how I want it, but it's definitely going to be more transparent than the blockouts.

Here's where I'm at right now. I still haven't UV mapped it or anything, but I think the modeling stage is basically finished except for a bit of optimization.
http://imgur.com/6QAy3.jpg

[Simski]

I'm a bit disappointed about not using the goggles idea... but anyway...

Could you make the visor-shield-thingie jiggleboned?

Don't make it so it goes down during some special action, make it so it goes down by himself when he goes flying and when he lands from explosions and stuff like that through the magic of physics :3

[Gerrund]

Okay, now that's awesome. You could probably go a little more with the damage if you want, but right now it looks really cool. I'd definitely start playing as Demo if your items were chosen.

[Psyke]

is there any chance the helmet could be a little longer in width to compensate for demomans long head haha

[Simski]

True, it doesn't quite cover his ear it seems.

[Norron]

SHOW ME YOUR MOVES!

Is there any way that you could use jigglebones so that the face shield will bounce up and down slightly as the demoman moves?

[nrek]

The helmet looks great swizzle. I definitely second the motion to add a jiggle bone to the visor to give it a little bounce.

I think the top trim that you have modeled onto the visor portion of the helmet is a little too fine, as far as the details goes. You could probably get away with a single piece of trim that is slightly thicker than the current one and it would better fit the TF2 style. Something similar to the helmet Spetch posted.

[EricV]

NICE

[Hotdogbunker]

It looks great man. I agree with all of these other people in saying that a slight jiggle bone effect (if it's possible) would really add to the awesomeness of the hat. I also have one more question, what color do you think you're going to tint the glass on that helmet?

[Swizzle]

I'm almost certainly going to add a jiggle bone so the shield bounces up an down. Or at least I'd like to if I can figure out how to do it. When I try to add an additional bone to this thing, it screws up the rotation and so far I haven't figured out a fix for it.

Anyway, here's how things stand at the moment. The colors are still WIP and I still have a little cleanup I need to do to the model, but it's almost finished. Just need to paint up the textures, and that shouldn't take too long.

http://imgur.com/hMWXV.jpg

[ScudzAlmighty]

i wonder if it would look better with slightly thicker glass? or just a stronger highlight?

[Gerrund]

That's great, Swizzle. The damage adds some fun character to the helmet.

[Sir Psycho Sexy]

Funny things spring to mind when thinking the Demoman would be in a riot squad :)
Lovely hat by the way.

[Monkeez]

Tbh I prefer the visor to the goggles idea. Were you thinking of incorporating any team colours or leaving it neutral?

[Hotdogbunker]

Awesome, just awesome.

[EVIL]

perfect!

[Yanma024]

Much better than I expected :)

[Psyke]

ok that fits. 100% perfect

it looks like it was part of the design from the start! i love it!

i'd smoke up the glass a little bit

[Swizzle]

Gerrund, Sir Psycho Sexy, Hotdogbunker, EVIL, Yanma024:
Thanks!

ScudzAlmighty:
I can't really make the glass much thicker without remodeling the metal bit that holds it up. I think it'll read well as-is anyway.

Monkeez:
I liked the idea of goggles as well, but I decided against them because I don't think they would've been as readable as the face shield. Yes, team colors are definitely happening.

Psyke:
I actually tried changing it so the glass is translucent instead of being additive, but it turns out that you get shitty alpha sorting when you're not careful with translucency. Looks like it's going to stay the way it is in this latest picture, unfortunately.





Here's the latest. For some reason or another I can't get actual skins to work, but it's easy enough to work around that. I'm sure Valve will be able to add skins if this actually gets in the game; I already have the textures ready to go.

Now to finish up the grenade, clean up some stuff in the medic pack and submit everything. There's surprisingly little work left for me to do. Sweet!
http://imgur.com/ZxnYW.jpg

[Psyke]

i know it's nit picking but i wouldn't use jet black so much as i'd use the dark grey of his 'nade straps instead

[Zipfinator]

I hate you for being able to work so fast Swizzle :(

[Swizzle]

Psyke:
The funny thing about this is that it's actually significantly lighter than those straps.

Zipfinator:
Being unemployed helps with this. I don't really suggest it, though.



I'm pretty much finished here. I may have a few small tweaks to do, but none of them will really be noticeably different from the images here.
BAM! Done. Well, pretty much done. I have a little cleanup to do in some areas, but I'm basically finished.
http://imgur.com/BR6lL.png

[TaMurray]

Dude you nailed it! I sincerely hope all three of these go in the game, they deserve to be played. The launcher is spectacular, and the hand-grenade melee weapon is genius.

[larolaro]

Great work man!

[Yanma024]

Have you decided on the Ullapool's look after it's broken?
Is it the one you had before?

[Khthon]

What finishing touches are you thinking of adding to Medic pack/Demo pack?

[Norron]

He's going to mail $20 bucks to Valve just to "make sure".

[Contrails]

Looks great :) all the stuff turned out well... only gripe is that the helmet IMO is a little boring especially looking from the back - put a logo or something there?

Being unemployed helps with this. I don't really suggest it, though.

gonna go out on a limb and say with your talent you're not gonna stay unemployed for long :) (unless of course you like it)

[jgoodroad]

you sir have brought to life my dream of a bomb on a stick! (I was thinking petard but a stick-bomb is good too)

THANK YOU SO MUCH!
*shakes your hand heartily*
*goes off running through the streets laughing*

MWHAHAHAHA!

[Mizzymizzy]

I already see how those weapons would be crafted...
The Direct hit + The Sandman = The Ullapool Caber
The Scottish resistance + The Force-a-Nature = The Loch-n-Load

[jgoodroad]

you forgot something mizzy!

the chargin' targe + gunboats + football helmet = The Scotch Bonnet

[Szark]

Exceptional work, Swizzle! Demoman is my favorite class so I look forward to using these in-game! :)

[Simski]

Did you manage to make the visor jiggleboned :O?

[Swizzle]

TaMurray, larolaro, Szark:
Thanks!

Yanma024:
Yeah, same model as before. I'm going to tweak the textures a little, but I'm pretty well settled on that design. The only thing that was bugging me about it was that I hadn't gotten the textures looking quite right, but then I also hadn't put much work into them

Khthon:
I have some texture cleanup to do in a couple of spots, especially on the needle gun, and I need to make sure all my files are in order. I tend to generate a lot of excess like backups and experiments before I'm finished with projects, so I need to trim those down and make sure everything's organized well before I submit everything.

Norron:
Don't think of them as bribes, think of them as incentive packages.

Contrails:
I'm probably going to add a couple more dings and brush strokes to the helmet, but I'm actually fairly satisfied with how it turned out. As for getting myself un-unemployed, I hope that happens soon, but first I need to set up a portfolio website.

jgoodroad:
I'm glad I could render such a valuable service.

Mizzymizzy, jgoodroad:
Those actually sound about right...

Simski:
Yes and no. I was able to get the visor to jiggle around, but I wasn't able to do it without having the rotation for the parent bone that everything connects to get all screwed up. I've been using Milkshape for import/export, and I think the way it handles and exports bones is all wonkified. I'm going to send a note along when I submit this stuff saying that I think it'd be cool if the visor was jiggleboned.

[Simski]

Ah... A shame that you didn't get it to work, best of luck to you though :O

[Disco Stu]

Why are you not working for valve yet?
They can expect to get all your awesome work for free all the time!

[soso188]

Why are you not working for valve yet?
They can expect to get all your awesome work for free all the time!
Work.... For valve....
Free
.....

[eXistance]

Freaking amazing, now go make a third pack! :P

[ScudzAlmighty]

Work.... For valve....
Free
.....

I'm guessing Valve is just fine with the arrangement they have now :\

[Yanma024]

I'm guessing Valve is just fine with the arrangement they have now :\
Their website says they're always hiring.

[ScudzAlmighty]

well of course they say that, you've gotta give Swizzle some hope so that iD or Bungie or Blizzard doesn't steal him away.

[Swizzle]

While working for Valve would indeed be a sweet, sweet gig, I doubt that's ever going to happen.

[DKK]

well of course they say that, you've gotta give Swizzle some hope so that iD or Bungie or Blizzard doesn't steal him away.

Do you mean to say that Valve keeps the people making content for their games for free from working at other studios by dangling the carrot of a non existent job in their face?

[HandSandwich]

You're knockin em out of the park, man! Well done.

[Norron]

While working for Valve would indeed be a sweet, sweet gig, I doubt that's ever going to happen.

Then why not go for Naughty Dog then? :D They're hiring character, enviromental, and texture artists right now.

[ScudzAlmighty]

Do you mean to say that Valve keeps the people making content for their games for free from working at other studios by dangling the carrot of a non existent job in their face?


well mostly I was just teasing Swizzle by suggesting that Valve was enticing him to make awesome content with a fictitious job offer and then release his stuffs as "community content" -ie: the Pain Train - and by keeping that generalized posting up he'd be less inclined to apply and be imeadiately accepted at another rocking studio.

-- though if in fact the only reason he isn't currnetly working at a rockin studio is because he hasn't put together proper web portfolio and thus hasn't even applied, well then he should get off his lazy ass and make one already shouldn't he?!?

[DKK]

It all sounds entirely possible, think about it. Left 4 Dead maps, Half Life mods, "Community Content". KAHN!!!...I mean... NEWELL!!!!

[EVIL]

though if in fact the only reason he isn't currnetly working at a rockin studio is because he hasn't put together proper web portfolio and thus hasn't even applied, well then he should get off his lazy ass and make one already shouldn't he?!?
^ this

[Swizzle]

I'm workin' on it, I'm workin' on it.

[jgoodroad]

I'm workin' on it, I'm workin' on it.

SEE! he would fit right in at valve...

[Swizzle]

I'm not sure if I should take that as a compliment or an insult.

[Buck]

Compsult ;)

[Yanma024]

Start small and work your way up. One of the requirements is you gotta have a few years of work experience anyway.

But back to business.

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r128/thenerd24/helmhelp.jpg
I want to know what this tanish line is.

[Swizzle]

That's a reflection.

[ScudzAlmighty]

on you?

[Swizzle]

I think there's be entirely too much discussion about my character in this thread.

Now hush, you.

[ScudzAlmighty]

awwwww.

you have shown your character, sir - the very highest.

[Pogo]

Only 5 more classes to go, get bloody going.

[Swizzle]

Breaking news! Mathematical constants change!

[spetch]

hey man, keep up the good work. Can't wait to see the finished helmet. I dig the crack in the glass.

[Yanma024]

I know you weren't planning on it, but don't do another pack. For the sake of yourself and the other contestants.

also- that reflection just looks out of place.

[Buck]

Yeah swizzle, dont do other packs. Wouldnt be cool to win for 1/3rd of the classes!

[RoronoaDSanji]

err. why? i would say do it. yes, it is awesome and got a high chance of winning, but there is notthing wrong with that. say class A doesnt have any really good ones and if swizzie did that one, now, we will get some awesome weapon/hat/misc for that class. it is for the good of Valve and the whole tf2 community :DD
just saying

[Sikyanakotik]

Honestly, Swizzle, I think you should get everything wrapped up and submitted, then take a well-deserved rest from all your hard work.

[Yanma024]

Honestly, Swizzle, I think you should get everything wrapped up and submitted, then take a well-deserved rest from all your hard work.
Exactly.

[Phaser Rave]

These are making me drool.

[Hotdogbunker]

I know that you've already submitted it, but could we possibly get a video of the Caber exploding on a victim?

[larolaro]

It's just a standard melee isn't it? It doesn't explode.

[Norron]

http://www.polycount.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1152323&postcount=140

Nope, that sucker explodes but good. Just like the bottle breaks on a crit.

[Swizzle]

I submitted both the intact and exploded versions of the weapon with a note saying that I think it'd be cool to have it explode.

HOWEVER

I cannot control how it breaks in-game without having it as a direct replacement for the bottle.

[InjustPotato]

6, it just looks awesome.

[Swizzle]

InjustPotato, this thread has pretty much run its course. Now we're just waiting for Valve to announce the winners.

[larolaro]

The contest is OVER!? This is news to me.

[Swizzle]

Ha, sucker!

[Zipfinator]

Aww, disappointed that not even one of your packs won Swizzle. I'm sure some of the items will be released over time through community updates though.

[spetch]

I can guarantee that they will announce the other 4 classes adn you will win. There's alot of submissions to go through especially after the engi update. I'm sure they're breaking it up into 2 sections. You WILL get your comp in the game. You did help me with your texturing advice and I mucho appreciate everything.

[Blueplastic]

Both of Swizzle's packs were my favorite packs of all packs in the history of TF2 polycount contest...i'm now very very disappointed at Valve.

[tex_cookiedough]

/agree

Swizzles packs were my favorites too.. ah well im expecting to see these as part of a future community update :)

great work on these Swizzle (y)

[Zipfinator]

I'm fairly sure his packs weren't chosen because Valve were looking for original themes in the packs. Look at the winners. They're all new themes. While Swizzle's packs are great and fit the TF2 theme perfectly, they're just expansions and modifications to current styles of weapons in TF2. I have no doubt that some of his items will be added through community updates though.

[jgoodroad]

all the weapons are great... but the one I really want to see ingame is the BOMB ON A STICK!
then I will be happy.

lets hope valve adds it in a later update...

[ahedoooo]

lets hope valve adds it in a later update...

Im sure they will