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Taylor Hood
12-15-2009, 02:00 PM
Hello. I've been writing this small peice over the past few days as I have been pretty bored and just want to relax.

So... I am a writer by no means and I'm sure most of you will know that I do not spend alot of time doing so. (The majority of my writing is on these forums in the form of BS : ) Haha )

But anyways, I'm a very big fantasy reader and I have read the Omnibus of Orcs. I'm a big nerd when it comes to fantasy and it has inspired me to write my own peice.

I have taken a screenshot of the first page of my short story and hopefully I can recieve critics. I am not looking to become a writer but I think I have some sort of talent and I am also passionate about writing.

http://i49.tinypic.com/20t17ia.png

danshewan
12-15-2009, 02:17 PM
Not that I'm suggesting aping Chuck Palahniuk in any way, but he does have some interesting things to say regarding writing - specifically, how lazy people can be when writing and not even realize it.

For instance, your lieutenant asks something anxiously - how does someone ask something anxiously? Of course, we intuitively know because we've experienced anxiety ourselves, and we attach that emotional experience to the situation we're reading about.

However, from a writer's standpoint, this is shockingly lazy, and even more common in the majority of fiction out there, regardless of genre. Personally, I think it's more interesting to show the character's anxiety, and allow the reader to infer the emotional content themselves, rather than holding their hand constantly. This technique, which some writers including Palahniuk and his mentor Tom Spanbauer refer to as minimalism, can also offer a more visceral reading experience.

If you're serious about improving the quality of your writing, check out some of these essays, and sign up for a writer's workshop. Be honest with others about your work, and don't be guarded - baring your soul in your work may make you feel vulnerable, but it's the only way you'll improve.

http://chuckpalahniuk.net/features/essays

Taylor Hood
12-15-2009, 02:22 PM
Thanks Danshewan. Do you think it's just lazy that I haven't put particular things that explains why, for example, the lieutenant is anxious and whatnot? Do you think I have some sort of base that I could improve on? I'm still a student as of now as most of you know and I have had no real intention of continuing my writing and I'm not being taught. Do you think I am atleast decent enough and have a basic knowledge of creative writing to improve? I can see why proffesionals would think it is lazy and basic tho.

Perhaps a silly question but - I'm guessing you would need some sort of high English qaulifaction in college or even university to progress as a game writer?
I know I sound far fetched considering where my other passion lies but I'm just curious.

crazyfingers
12-15-2009, 02:24 PM
Hmm, rather than reading like a short story it feels like you're trying to force a standard epic fantasy novel onto one page, full of orcs, elves, magic, the whole shebang. That's cool, if this kind of stuff passes the time and you enjoy writing it by all means continue :), but when i think of a short stories i'm usually looking for some kind of cosmic idea, or thought, rather than simply distilling a fantasy setting onto one page. Here's an example, and they often drift into the future and sci fi, because short stories are all about "what if?":

http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html

Taylor Hood
12-15-2009, 02:30 PM
Thanks CF. I know what you mean. I really shouldn't have called it a short story. More like...what you said : ) Which is kind of pathetic to a writers standard. I know what you mean when you say you enjoy a short story that has an underlying meaning.
Thanks for the link.

Taylor Hood
12-15-2009, 02:31 PM
How is it going in terms of structure and grammer? I'm a semi grammar nazi (The 'Semi' part is that I can be somewhat careless when I don't try. : ) )

Elhrrah
12-15-2009, 03:12 PM
I'm a bit of a grammar nazi myself, but I know my own grammar choices are slightly strange, so I'll avoid too many specifics. The main thing you should look at is comma usage in the dialog, along with some of your word choices. Other than that, though, it is a matter of general refinement. Technically its not that shabby; I've had to wade through worse.

Beyond the technical, though, it is hard to tell where you're going. It may be my proclivity for predictable paragraph patterns, or perhaps the way the dialog is in-line with the rest of the text, but there is no clear image of what will happen next. Working in some more descriptors and grounding the scene better in a physical sense does a lot to make the flow seem more natural.

A good way to examine the scene you've shown us, along with others you may write, is to remove the dialog entirely, and look at what you're left with. Without the dialog, there isn't all that much left; flesh that out a bit, and see what you have. Then modify the dialog to better reflect the changes you've made to the narrative.

This makes me want to take another stab at forming a creative writing group.

Taylor Hood
12-15-2009, 03:16 PM
Thanks, Elhrrah. About the writing group...if you do start one I'd be glad to join you. I would probably be the worst there but whatever : )

crazyfingers
12-15-2009, 03:20 PM
A sub forum for creative writing on polycount? That could end up being all kinds of unintentional kick-ass.

Taylor Hood
12-15-2009, 03:22 PM
I'm with CF on this one. : )

bounchfx
12-15-2009, 03:41 PM
I'm going to need to see some wireframes.

Taylor Hood
12-15-2009, 03:44 PM
:O Quick! Somone make a model and fufill Bounch's fetish for wireframes!
: )

danr
12-15-2009, 03:57 PM
bewilderment

Nitewalkr
12-15-2009, 04:14 PM
If you are a starter, its an amezing work

I tried to fix the second and third paragraph to make it more ancient and fantasy. Its tone is more modern than what fantasy should be.

Like for example:
Hez quoting "what the hell." If I remember correctly, there was only one book came close to writing this directly. As in "what in 9 hells"
Others statements of shocks are as follows:
"What in the name of 9th legion"
"What in the name of Gods"
"What in the name of Elona"
and so on.

and the tone should be something like:

It was cold in the night when the ship sailing towards the darkness unoticeably. In the cabin, Baron, sat down on the chair wondering of his doings, yet seemed tired of all he have done in the past. After all his service to the kingdom of (name), he chose to become an exiler, prohibited to use the magic. As his master ,(name), wished for him to sail east to the Shield before dying in baron's hand, he chose to isolate himself from the world to find the unforseen truth of the Breath "knock, knock, Baron are you there?" It was Taina, the archmagon and the captain of the ship.
---------
Something like that. This is the reference from the book called "Shield of the Weeping Ghosts by James P" I wouldnt really recommend anyone reading this book because it a bit confusing. (My apologyies to the writer for any offence)

Also do look in to Novels by Richard Knaak. His books really jutted in to the fantasy. It will do you good in your learning.

Taylor Hood
12-15-2009, 04:24 PM
Hm, interesting stuff Nitewalker : )

Yeah, that is actually my first peice.
Thanks for the qoutes and examples

snemmy
12-15-2009, 04:49 PM
You wrote straight from the top of your head didn't you? ;]

Formatting aside:
There are a lot of choppy sentences. More like collected statements than paragraphs.
Flow is important. Right now it feels like a telegraph: .......... when it should feel more like ~~~~~ waves. The spoken text feels like lines delivered rather than natural speaking.
You are rushing through events without lingering to let the reader comprehend what is and has just happened.
'build tents! dead orc! story time!'... slow down there tiger.
Don't blow all your wad on the first page. You'll burn out quick like that.

If you haven't already, take some creative writing courses. Read more and see how authors you do read structure their stories and the flow of their paragraphs.

Is this a small part of an overarching plot? How much planning have you done? Outlining, notes and all?

Taylor Hood
12-15-2009, 05:00 PM
Yeah, I did spawn all that from my head and on the sot. That was merley an excercise of some sort. Snemmy what you said was a very big help and i'll take it all into consideration and plan out next time.

Nitewalkr
12-15-2009, 08:10 PM
You are most welcome.

Speaking of which, thanks for reminding me to start putting my game storyline(s) in the books.

achillesian
12-15-2009, 08:36 PM
my biggest problem with this is the formatting. Dialogue requires many indentations which are used to break up who is speaking and helps you from going back and forth he said she said etc.

This makes this harder for me to read than anything else.
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/1206/dialogue.png

on content, i'm going to second what danshewan said, too many empty adjectives after someone says something. Maybe just too many adjectives. Also picked up on the too many "hell"'s as well.

shotgun
12-15-2009, 09:39 PM
"it was (in the past) dark now (in the present)"

please write again!

edit: unless this starts a discussion and/or turns into a huge fail thread - this should go in p&p under the rare, bizzarre and fetish sub-forum-we-dont-have!

LoTekK
12-15-2009, 09:44 PM
While dialogue doesn't necessarily need indentations, or even punctuation (see Cormac McCarthy's The Road), it certainly makes things easier to follow (again, see The Road. I've attempted 4 times now over the past year to read the thing, but I never get past more than a quarter of the book).

The dialogue itself doesn't really fit the characters, or the period/genre. While this can work with the right massaging, it's tough to pull off. In a lot of spots, it simply feels trite: "Stupid ork" "What the hell".

In line with what snemmy said, you really need a bit of buildup (alternately, a bit of consistency). Durilin goes from lordly, to voice of reason, to psychotic, to friendly, to jovial, to prankster, all in the space of four paragraphs, and what appears to be less than 15 minutes.

Niggle: I've never seen an army rank structure that places lieutenant above captain. :p

PeterK
12-16-2009, 01:42 AM
I just took the first paragraph and did a paintover:

it's important to show the reader instead of telling them; they may well disagree with what you tell them, but they'll always believe what you show them.

http://www.exisinteractive.com/writing.jpg

LoTekK
12-16-2009, 02:11 AM
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/778345/writing-po1.jpg

Also, "awash with beads" and "grabbed their hilts" might be worded a bit better. The latter, especially, though that could be the polycounter in me thinking "grabbed their wangs".

Taylor Hood
12-16-2009, 02:20 AM
I can't thank you guys enough for the time spent on the critics.
I agree, I have made stupid mistakes and I will try harder next time in my writing.

Thanks for the writing "write overs" they are amazing. Way beyond what I could've done but thanks man: )

PieJesu
12-16-2009, 04:26 AM
I highly, highly suggest you pick up a copy of 'How to write a Damn Good Novel' and 'How to write a Damn Good Novel II'. Also, if you're suffering from grammar woes, pick up a copy of 'Sin and Syntax'.

The 'How to write a Damn Good Novel' series are exceptionally well written. Not only is the series an entertaining read, it's also stuffed to the brim with information and advice. Most of the criticism you seem to be receiving is covered well within the scope of both books and 'Sin and Syntax' is not only an outstanding book in its own right, but excellent as a reference.

If you want to take your writing a step further then I recommend the above; otherwise you should try and join a local writers group for critique and advice. Avoid fluff groups that only dish out praise; you'll never get better with phony sweetness.

As a side note, 'The Chicago Manual of Style' is the only manual on formatting you'll ever need ~ not that I want to sound like a salesman but these books have helped many find an agent to walk the entire road down to publishing fame.

PeterK
12-16-2009, 02:04 PM
Taylor, it's not beyond what you can do. There are a few simple things to consider when writing.

- Consider the settings, what are the colors? The sounds? The feel ? Fill the senses of the reader , but don't give them so much that they feel inundated with detail.

- Don't ham up the dialogue; "thee and thou" don't read too well these days.

- Make your characters human, in the sense that they are not one dimensional robots reciting text and clinging to base concepts like honor and so forth.

- Use "-ly" words sparing"ly". They can be used to good effect at times, but you will almost always find a verb that works just as well. Adverbs are looked down on by many writers.

- Fill your characters with purpose and personality; don't be afraid to make a "cool" character a coward; everyone has, and needs a flaw.

mickyg
12-16-2009, 07:59 PM
Make sure you read what you've written out loud. Once you do that, it becomes clearer that the story can flow a lot better, particularly the dialogue.

There's no way people would speak the way you've written it, even in a fantasy world people are lazy and would abbreviate, shorten words into slang etc.

Picture yourself watching an exact movie of your story and then ask yourself if it's being directed by David Fincher or Uwe Boll...

Valandar
12-16-2009, 08:42 PM
And remember that "Said Bookisms" and "Tom Swifties" are the work of Satan.

Taylor Hood
12-17-2009, 04:54 AM
Again, thanks everyone for the advice :)

Taylor Hood
12-17-2009, 08:02 AM
Hey, I just done this quick excercise right now. It's probably a step back from my original post peice but this one is more of a non atmospheric, no dialouge bit of writing. I forgot what it's called but it's more of a back cover description of a novel.
Gotta go to school now seeya.
I know, I know. It's the cliche harry potter nerd individual thing again.

http://i48.tinypic.com/w8rgbl.png

Elhrrah
12-17-2009, 09:47 AM
Better than the first, feels a bit more thought out than before. It could do with a bit more detail, though, and you might want to look at creating a bit more transfer between your sentences; they feel more like independent statements than parts of a paragraph. If you can tie those sentences into a more cohesive structure - merging, splitting, changing the order, etc - you'll be able to make it read smoother, and make the content more understandable.

Looking at that content, though, there seems to be a few gaps. You first state that he grew up in a broken-down cottage, which suggests seclusion and a fairly large lack of funds. How, then, does the character learn to read, gain access to a large collection of religious texts, and get out of whatever house/farm work which would be required of him in order to survive in that situation? None of the logic-gaps I've listed are hard to fill, and adding that detail could do much to make the character more interesting.

For example, Melpheus could live, not in a hovel or cottage, but in his family's ruined estate; a once-great mansion that has since fallen into disrepair after his grandfather's seat-rading business collapsed due to the king ceding all of the nation's ports and costal regions to a larger and more aggressive nation which was threatening to invade. Now, after a generation of poverty, the mansion is inhabited by Melpheus' family, trying to survive off from the surrounding farmlands while retaining some scrap of their dignity.
Melpheus himself is the youngest of four sons, born with a clubfoot and thought to be a living disgrace by all those around him. Surrounded by such cruelty and outright hatred, Melpheus soon retreats to the sole part of the mansion where none chose to follow: the old family library. Left sealed since the death of Melpheus' grandfather, the old library was full of ancient religous texts and musty tomes from bygone eras.
Driven to these books by hatred and a wish for escape, Melpheus soon becomes enraptured with the idyllic world of the old gods, filled with passion, justice, and order. Immersing himself in these books helps Melpheus forget the world around him, allowing him to explore history and events in ways which his deformity would usually prevent him.
After a time, during which Melpheus grew from a young boy to an almost-man, Melpheus realizes just how important these teachings are, and decides to share these teachings with all who will listen.
[And then ties in with the birthday thing and so forth]

By adding in those details, it becomes a much richer and engaging story. Finding and choosing the right elements to include isn't hard, it simply takes a bit of time. You could easily take a different route - such as making him a street-waif in some deep city who breaks into some great library intending to steal but ends up becoming a curator instead - while maintaining all of the same core elements.

LoTekK
12-17-2009, 09:58 AM
One thing that also serves to make the passages feel disjointed is the repetition of "Melpheus." For the most part, Melpheus himself is your only subject, and I don't think you need to keep repeating his name; at least not quite so frequently. It breaks the flow; makes it feel like a bunch of disparate statements.

Taylor Hood
12-17-2009, 09:59 AM
Got to be grateful that people like Elhrrah and Lotekk spend so much time criting your work and giving you so much insight and help!

Awesome...just awesome.

Taylor Hood
12-17-2009, 10:14 AM
Downloading the R.A Salvatore Dark elf trilogy on audiobook : )
Epic. The first book called 'Home land'

danshewan
12-17-2009, 10:22 AM
Consider your pacing, and how that can be used as a tool to create and sustain interest.

For example, the three paragraphs here deal with the first eighteen years of your character's life, and sure, this could work, but why not hint at his growing preoccupation with the occult, as opposed to flat-out telling us? Try and be a little more subtle, and resist the temptation to race to the 'interesting' stuff. You should know your character's every habit, every trait, every nuance before committing anything to paper so as to ensure that you can reveal the more compelling aspects of their personality / life in a gradual manner, so that we keep reading.

Also, objects can be powerful tools in piquing our interest. Hint at a character's fixation on an object (whatever it is), but use the reader's curiosity as the hook. Tempt us with more details, dangle the carrot of the big reveal, and we'll keep reading. In theater, this technique is often referred to as plants and payoffs - Google it for some more on this, as it can be a great way to create and sustain interest.

Taylor Hood
12-17-2009, 03:58 PM
Here is something I whipped up tonight. Trying to get a real intensified feeling in there. I showed it to my mate and he said that he felt very "in" the peice.
http://i50.tinypic.com/2gub481.png

TomDunne
12-17-2009, 04:06 PM
Downloading the R.A Salvatore Dark elf trilogy on audiobook : )
Epic. The first book called 'Home land'

I don't mean for this to come across as snarky or impolite, but if you're looking to learn to be a good writer, R. A. Salvatore is not the kind of author you want to go with. He's produced a popular character, but his writing really isn't very good.

Off the top of my head, and picking from current authors, I recommend reading Patrick Rothfuss's 'The Name of the Wind' and maybe Joe Abercrombie's 'The Blade Itself'. Especially Rothfuss if you're interested in writing as a craft - his writing is almost musically eloquent.

Taylor Hood
12-17-2009, 04:11 PM
Oh, see, I'm not yet experience enough to realise who is a really great author and who isn't. Thanks for the recommendations : )
And you weren't being snarky or impolite.
Also, I kind of just started listening to the audio book because it interested me more. Also, since it's audio it doesn't really matter? Maybe it does in the way the reader says what he has written. Heh.

Thanks again Verm.

danr
12-17-2009, 04:19 PM
can you really slowly spring into action?

tbh, your final image doesn't match the build-up. It actually seems like a couple of heavies and their villain boss ... i mean, a big lummox "cracking his knuckles", it's a comic image, something from a cockney gangster film.

Taylor Hood
12-17-2009, 04:26 PM
Yeah, but it's completley different. I never made it out what I want to be and reading 'Slowly sprung into action' just makes me laugh and realize how much I shouldn't post on here and that I need to slow down.

Sorry for hurting everyones brains on this one.

Joopson
12-17-2009, 07:57 PM
(we need a thread for everyones writing. I am sure we have a bunch of writers here)

Taylor Hood
12-18-2009, 04:37 AM
Yeah, that sub forum would be nice : )
So everyone doesn't have to keep looking at my writing. Heh.

LoTekK
12-18-2009, 07:25 AM
I say keep posting. If nothing else, you get critique to chew on; and I dunno about the rest, but I'm learning as I critique as well (putting more thought into the reading). Plus, I'd never heard of Tom swifties before this thread, so I'm definitely learning new shit :p

Taylor Hood
12-18-2009, 07:43 AM
Lol, thats cool. Yeah, I'll continue but just not a peice every day because I realised I don't spend nearly as much time on stuff as I should do even on one paragraph.

Taylor Hood
12-18-2009, 09:00 AM
This is going to be a really idiotic question but: Say you've shown a short story or novela to someone and they found it to be quite good, how does one actually publish a book? Is there some sort of required age? Also, more importantly, in the games industry what qaulifications would you need?

Elhrrah
12-18-2009, 11:48 AM
It depends on whether you're trying to self-publish, or find a third-party publisher.

Self publishing is pretty easy, when you come right down to it. It just takes a bit of time, money, patience, money, and confidence in your work. And money. In the simplest terms, you pay a publishing company (like lulu http://www.lulu.com/index.php) and they manage the printing. Whether or not you make any profit depends on how well you can hock your book. It is not uncommon for an author to start out self-published, to then be picked up by a third-party publisher.

Third-party publishing companies are the ones most people are familiar with. Tor, Knopf, Random House, and Bel Ray are just a few which come to mind. These media giants typically chose what they publish by submissions they get from authors and writers. They require submissions to meet certain content, size, and quality criteria simply to get through the door, and even then it is easy for things to become overlooked. For starting writers, trying to get a submission looked at, let alone responded to, is a challenge, and it takes a lot of time to make sure you've hit all the right companies. It can take months, years, for an author to get their book published, even when it has already been fully written and edited.

There's an entire market for books on publishing books; head over to amazon some time and take a look.

CheeseOnToast
12-18-2009, 12:45 PM
Just to add my tuppence worth :

Watch your over-use of similes. Not everything has to be "like" something. Strip it back, edit the hell out of it. For example :

"A trio of figures, fiery eyes smouldering, stood frozen in a titanic shadow that engulfed the land. "

Metaphor tends to be shorter and better than simile, so use it where appropriate. It makes for "punchier" reading as well.

" Locked in concentration, Dave the thief did not hear the creak of the door behind him. Time stopped as he felt something cold lightly touch his neck."

in this case time didn't really stop, but I think it reads better than " It seemed as though time had stopped". Also, try to imply things rather than state them. In the above, it should be clear that there's a blade of some sort involved without having to explain that directly. Not the best examples of writing in the world, but I hope it gets the point across. Less is more.

Taylor Hood
12-19-2009, 04:09 PM
Here is a peice I think is alot more controlled and realistic and more subtle and easy to understand. I think i've improved.

http://i45.tinypic.com/dqt3jd.png

Taylor Hood
12-19-2009, 06:22 PM
http://i47.tinypic.com/rjh4pd.jpg
Making a short story out of it. I'd say I am progressing but I'm sure there are tons of mistakes : )

PeterK
12-19-2009, 06:58 PM
Seriously , for every cuss word I read, I lose a fair amount of interest and respect; stop it already.

Foul words are a scalpel, not an armory worth of broadswords.

If you see then too often, they lose any impact. Use them only to draw attention to a specific thing. Foul language in common speak is boorish and sloppy.

Also, not every exchange between two people needs to be confrontational and filled with exclamation points.

Again!

Taylor Hood
12-19-2009, 07:08 PM
Sorry. That's all I can say. I can see how it would loose the writer some respect man. Sorry, once more. I have read books with alot of cussing and I don't find them offensive but thats just me. Kind of dissapointed how much of an idiot I probably look like now. I just tried to go for a real mature, in-a-real-war-type situation.

I actually done this today as well.
I would say "On a lighter note. I done this today" but you'll see why I didn't if you read the peice :P
http://i49.tinypic.com/2hd639d.png

LoTekK
12-20-2009, 12:53 AM
Swearing is ok, assuming you can pull it off without it sounding trite, or forced. If you must use it, though, I'd suggest limiting it to dialogue; leave it out of the narration/internal monologue. Additionally -- and this is more of a pre-emptive bit of advice -- if you're going to have swearing, please don't go all half-assed and use santised versions. Patient Zero did this, and it never failed to sound utterly silly (what with hardened soldiers yelling "Eff this!", "Eff you!" and "Effing hell!")

Watch your vocab; make sure the verb/adjective/adverb fits the subject:
"I silence the flame" <-- Snuff out, extinguish, NOT SILENCE. :p
"I took the shot" <-- "I hurled the knife." You could pretty this up a lot more, too. Expand on it.

Watch your compound words:
gun shot --> gunshot
ass hole --> asshole

I can sort of see what you're trying to do with the latest passage, but it's not really conveying much to me. You've got a decent start with some of the descriptions and atmosphere, but I'm not really feeling the whole "oh well, I'm gonna die" resignation. Part of it stems from the apparent circumstances, what with him just kinda milling about. There's a certain disconnect here, and a better idea of his circumstances might alleviate that. Was he abandoned by his unit? Was he separated and thought KIA? Did his entire unit get wiped out while on a Zerg hunt within these caverns, leaving him alone and cut off?

"I knew my strength was replenishing."
Bit of a sudden turnaround, all things considered, especially since just a second ago, he was in danger of passing out. Either link the receiver with his growing strength; maybe he's now got something to focus his mind on, instead of drifting all over the place. Aternately have a bit of a transitional sentence block, slapping himself awake, forcing himself to concentrate, or something. Even if you change nothing else, though, try this on for size instead:
"I felt my strength returning."

Arguable:
"I am alone. Forsaken. Just another dead soldier in this war, mere food for the Zerg army."

danr
12-20-2009, 03:05 AM
taylor - there is nothing, and i mean nothing wrong with swearing in a story about a wounded soldier. Hell, as far as colour goes, it's almost a requirement. Quit with the apologies, just do your thing.

Taylor Hood
12-20-2009, 04:14 AM
Woah, Lotekk, I considered that peice to be a draft and now I have so much more to improve on :) Thanks to everyone else aswell

- The silenced the flame thing is really stupid now that you've mentioned it. I guess I wasn't paying attention or I was feeling lazy yesterday.

danr
12-20-2009, 04:48 AM
Oh by the way ... It's spelled "piece"

Spelling's a bit important if you want to be a writer

Taylor Hood
12-20-2009, 04:52 AM
Again, lazyness on my part. I'm taking care and revising the Zerg piece as I favour it the most.

Taylor Hood
12-20-2009, 05:21 AM
Here is the extension of that Zerg piece. I've narrated the marines abandonment and extended the descriptions of the actual cave scenario.
Hope you like it. I'm fairly happy with the way that it turned out.

edit - As you can probably tell, I'm putting in decent bits from my other pieces and putting them into this.
http://i48.tinypic.com/jjvdih.png

LoTekK
12-20-2009, 07:31 AM
Before I get back to some more pixel art, I thought I'd drop this one that immediately caught my attention: tense. Pick one, and stick to it. If you /must/ change tense, be sure it makes sense to do so. You started off with present continuous, then moved to present, then to past tense. At some point you moved back to present.

Taylor Hood
12-24-2009, 06:57 AM
I'm actually really attached to this one. I was awake at midnight and couldn't get to sleep so I spent alot of time on this. I consider this to be my best piece so far. I really got in there and detailed every last bit. I think it sounds and reads pretty well but thats just me putting all of my soul into this one bit of writing ;)

Edit - My word 'palette' is alot more complex now. -
http://i50.tinypic.com/o50odu.png

Elhrrah
12-24-2009, 10:08 AM
Large blocks of italics induce nausea; you don't want your readers vomiting into wastebaskets instead of reading, right?

In reading, it feels like you've thrown in a bunch of big words without considering their definitions and usage. A lot of the words you've used could be trimmed without changing the actual content, and would make it read a lot smoother. Bigger isn't always better, and spending too much time digging through your thesaurus for the perfect word may end up alienating a lot of readers. Moreover, it seems that in your search for larger words, your grammar self destructed. Tense is hard to determine, compound words have been split, and at times articles forgotten entirely.

You have succeeded in making me want to know the history of Alkazar'din, though.

danr
12-24-2009, 10:48 AM
there's stalactites in an impermeable cave? I stopped reading there.

Ninjas
12-24-2009, 11:07 AM
Off the top of my head, and picking from current authors, I recommend reading Patrick Rothfuss's 'The Name of the Wind'

I don't mean to sound like a dick either, but this guys' writing, and the book as a whole, is terrible. Finding well written genre books is pretty hard. I suggest some real authors-- this would be a pretty good place to start:

http://www.pulitzer.org/bycat/Fiction

mickyg
12-25-2009, 01:39 AM
Somehow I don't think this guy is aiming to write pulitzer prize winning novels at this stage...

I'm guessing that you don't read a lot of fantasy, if you think Rothfuss is shit? Sure, he might not be Umberto Eco but as a debut novelist he is already very good at his craft, and miles better than most of the generic fantasy writers out there. And to be honest, it's a bit insulting to insinuate that he is not a 'real author'. Out of curiosity, what fantasy writers are you a fan of?

To the OP: Have you thought about one of those idea books that has a different writing excersize on every page? Or even fellow forum members suggesting various scenarios and maybe a few people comparing results?

Such as:

A pirate, once feared, has just walked out of the jail he occupied for three decades. Now an old man, he walks slowly to the docks. Describe to me what he feels, thinks and does as his feet come to rest in the sand and the sun warms his back.

etc etc.