Apples Anti Windows Commercials

[BradMyers82]

Is it just me, or does anyone else find the apple commercials really annoying.
I mean, they just come off as jerks bashing Windows, and don't tell me actually why I should by a mac.

Being a happy Windows user I am certainly biased on the subject, but I think regardless its pretty low of apple to "campaign" in this manner.

I'm pretty much just venting here, anyone else find these commercials particularly obnoxious?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk4FIIkKXdw

[Vrav]

I think the joke is still legit, but totally old. Then again, I've used both, and been longing to get back on a Mac for ages, though I know it'd be my software compatibility funeral to some degree. Probably not so much these days as it used to be.

[dejawolf]

nah.

[Snowfly]

Lighten up (ya pun intended)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeLcxwmwT0A

[Ferg]

I love how the arrogance has slowly been getting more and more blatant over time... one day they're gonna cross the line and all the mac users who used to love these commercials are gonna have a sudden mass realization that they're arrogant douches

[Emil Mujanovic]

Apple doesn't need to say anything good about their products and they don't need to convince you to buy anything of theirs. They do a good enough job of telling you that their competition is rubbish and don't buy anything from them.

These ads aren't aimed for the tech savvy, they are aimed for the computer illiterate.

[mLichy]

Yeah, usually I'm like w/e about the commercials, but the newest one is fucking garbage. Like others said, they come off even more arrogant than usual, and actually probably more desperate I think than anything.

[ZacD]

Apple is scared of win7.

[flaagan]

Apple isn't a software company. At least not any more.

[Illusions]

I think I came to a realization the other day. Their commercials no longer seem like they're aimed at getting people who use regular PC's to switch to buying a Mac, but to keep people who already own Macs from switching to PC's.

[flaagan]

I think I came to a realization the other day. Their commercials no longer seem like they're aimed at getting people who use regular PC's to switch to buying a Mac, but to keep people who already own Macs from switching to PC's.

You know what... you right...

That makes their existence even more amusing to me.

[MRico]

I'm with ya Brad, hate those commercials too. I've used Macs in the past and hate them!...With their stupid no button mouse and paper thin keyboards....and stupid computer-in-monitor bullshit.

[ZacD]

Had to use them in my animation classes in highschool, it sucked (we had to use maya too)

[Lee3dee]

have any of you been inside an apple store? do you see how many people are purchasing apple hardware. As Emil said, these are for people who just want to turn the machine on, plug in a usb device, or printer and go! not have to worry about drivers, setup, etc.

Having used both Mac and PC, in todays market Apple hardware looks too damm sexy not to get one ;)

[ZacD]

...in todays market Apple hardware looks too damm sexy not to get one...

Until you look at the price tag

[Xaltar]

Apple are and always have been solid, complete systems. Everything I have used on mac has been well, better than PC. The big issue though is there just isn't enough software and as ZacD said, you really pay through the nose for it. I remember playing UT on an old mac that ran at like 300mhz on OS 8 and thinking how smooth it ran and how much purdier it looked than it did on my 1.1ghz P3 with win2k. Apple is quality but in my book its like a rolls royce, no one who has been in one can deny the quality but you would have to be either disgustingly rich or just plain stupid to own one to go to the store every day.

Apple need to back up a little, examine the market and come out with a product line that you can go to the store with every day. These adds are just desperation imo.

[Noia]

I'm both a Mac and PC user. Apple commercials are smug, but Microsoft marketing tends to miss the point entirely.

- PC hunter ones where people buy the crappiest computers they can find, not even decent PCs that would better showcased. The people often contradict their wants with what they end up with too.
- the Seinfeld/Gates adventures that had nothing to do with computers at all
- Any Bing commercial
- Windows 7 launch parties

I can live with all of these except the ones with the incoherent little girl.

[Adam L. Gray]

Personally, I find mac's to be quite alright to work with, never done any 3d work on them though, just movie editing, flash, webdesign and photoshop/printing stuff. And they seem to be pretty fine for people who are 'computer illiterate' as Emil mentioned :)

I'd never use on as my personal computer at home though, mainly due to their limited software compatibility and restricted options towards customization/upgrading. Oh, and the fact that fixing hardware failures on a PC usually only costs about 15% compared to 'having to' send it off and getting your mac repaired, even if you know what is wrong.

As said, actually working on them is quite alright though. BUT, I have to agree on the point that Apple really seems to be desperate running those kind of commercials.. Cause we all know how perfect...

'The message could not be completed
An unexpected error occurred'

[Lee3dee]

I like Go-Karts!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7PhJp3ciRQ

[Isaiah Sherman]

... one day they're gonna cross the line and all the mac users who used to love these commercials are gonna have a sudden mass realization that they're arrogant douches

No, they'll wake up and realize they should just kill all the PC users due to their inferiority complexes.

[snemmy]

WINDOWS 7 WAS MY IDEA!!!!

[JacqueChoi]

When I tell people I'm an artist, sometimes people ask me

"Really? Do you use a Mac"?


My retort is usually 'No, I'm an EMPLOYED artist'.



:)

[Ferg]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZtbshemzq8

[Jason Young]

I don't particularly like macs, but I find the commercials amusing.

[pior]

Win Seven will fix EVERYTHING!!!
You guys can't deny you never heard that from some overhyped enthusiast ...

[Carbon14]

They annoy the hell out of me, it's propaganda campaign aimed at the uninformed.

What a grand waste of time, if you want to do anything other than reply to emails or make dodgy videos on them (exaggeration, I realize you could also use them as paperweights and for packing under wobbly table legs :p ) you have to install windows or make crossfire work and honestly if you are going to get into that sort of irritation and "difficult" computer maintenance just get a windows machine and take care of it and it will do everything you want easily and smoothly.

[adam]

THERE IS ONLY ONE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2-UuIEOcss

[MALicivs]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZtbshemzq8


that pwns

[flaagan]

I should just forward this thread to my coworker, he will shitstorm all over every one of you that doubts the Word of Steve. :poly142:

When I tell people I'm an artist, sometimes people ask me

"Really? Do you use a Mac"?


My retort is usually 'No, I'm an EMPLOYED artist'.



:)

Hahahahahahahaha! :thumbup:

[pior]

Funny, I just wrote a lengthy thread reply on my mac at this very minute and lost if because I accidentally performed a flick gesture sending me back to the previous page haha :P Lethargic Paper Student Girl can suck it up yo!

Yeah these ads are painful. I guess the best way is to not care for them. But the annoying thing is, there is always going to be some fanboy (fangirl) coming back screaming how good their macs are and how/why someone SHOULD yes really SHOULD switch. People are just stupid. With social networking drama it seems like they are getting even louder, still. Yuck.

[Paul Pepera]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA

[Emil Mujanovic]

When I tell people I'm an artist, sometimes people ask me

"Really? Do you use a Mac"?


My retort is usually 'No, I'm an EMPLOYED artist'.



:)
HAHAHA! Awesome!
That is the best response to that question EVAARR!

[danshewan]

I'd like Macs if they weren't prohibitively expensive for no good reason, if the software I use were actually available, if I didn't void my warranty by (gasp) installing some extra memory, if the extra memory weren't prohibitively expensive for no good reason.....

[Lee3dee]

awesome Eraserhead!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvPj22jANDw

[Xoliul]

This one's the best:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JKR1nqLgPg

"I can"t turn things on!" ROFL! Shows what kind of retards they aim at, haha.

[danshewan]

I thought that was a gag advertisement, until the end.

Wow.

[oXYnary]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rjpn3L3bSJQ

I AM ROOT!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSu2dzu--TE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8lW8ndh5BU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-22EpQOm8c

[Ged]

I told someone I was a 3D designer recently and they immediately assumed we all worked on a mac because its "better at graphics and stuff isnt it?". I just said the same software that is available for mac is available for pc so theres no difference whatsoever.

A mac is just a well branded pc with some different software. If there were some pc specialists that established a powerful reliable brand the mac would be nothing to note at all but unfortunately the pc market is in disarray most of the time and hardly reliable.

[danshewan]

I told someone I was a 3D designer recently and they immediately assumed we all worked on a mac because its "better at graphics and stuff isnt it?".

It used to surprise me how many graphic designers claim this, but when you mention resource forks or anything even slightly technical from a hardware perspective to them, all you get are blank looks.

[Gilgamesh]

Apple is a fashion icon no more no less to me. Fashionable to have a ipod/iphone/mac at present when I still think you can get more for less for most if not all their products it's just 'cool to have' and show off to your friends. About the only thing apple done right with the appstore and even then they are robbing thugs to the developers (yes I have made a few apps :/).

[Xoliul]

I thought that was a gag advertisement, until the end.

Wow.

Haha great! Goes to show....

You know, if I wanted a "it just works" machine for easy, light stuff, I wouldn't get a Mac. A 400 euro netbook with Ubuntu is WAY cheaper and just as reliable. I used to run Ubuntu in dualboot on my laptop, I really preferred to start it over Windows because it was faster and wireless worked better. I only stopped using it because my brother accidentally wiped my entire HD. Now I have another laptop, with my job requiring me to do lots of presentations in Max & Unreal.

Thinking of it, I really do want an Ubuntu netbook :(

[Wahlgren]

Apple is a fashion icon no more no less to me. Fashionable to have a ipod/iphone/mac at present when I still think you can get more for less for most if not all their products it's just 'cool to have' and show off to your friends. About the only thing apple done right with the appstore and even then they are robbing thugs to the developers (yes I have made a few apps :/).
Well. I agree with this but in all honesty the Iphone really blows me away. I´m never gonna settle for less. Good surfing, Good games, Good musicplayer and an ok phone ;)

I guess the android-ones will give the iphone a worthy challenge but I haven´t looked into it.

[monkeyboy_garth]

Lol yeah...macs...whatever.

[Xoliul]

Well. I agree with this but in all honesty the Iphone really blows me away. I´m never gonna settle for less. Good surfing, Good games, Good musicplayer and an ok phone ;)



In what way? My cellphone has a decent interface for texting, plays MP3's and reminds me of important stuff from time to time. I can even play Pokemon Yellow on it when i'm bored. I can't imagine needing anything else than that, except for a normal audio jack instead of the Nokia mini thing that requires a flimsy adapter.

And well, my phone only cost 150$, compared to the almost 900$ (yes, i'm not kidding) they ask for an iPhone here...

[Rumkugel]

shit´s annoying..

they´re good and reliably things if youre doing "regular" work by means of intrawebs and office work... but the whole incompability thing is just somewhat lame...

apple´s would sure boost if they only weren´t such arrogant snobs as they appear to be.

[Wahlgren]

In what way? My cellphone has a decent interface for texting, plays MP3's and reminds me of important stuff from time to time. I can even play Pokemon Yellow on it when i'm bored. I can't imagine needing anything else than that, except for a normal audio jack instead of the Nokia mini thing that requires a flimsy adapter.

And well, my phone only cost 150$, compared to the almost 900$ (yes, i'm not kidding) they ask for an iPhone here...

I´ll just mention the things I like with it then you can decide if there´s anything of value in it. Every person is different and want different things. In my case I´m a gadget-nerd with small pockets. All in one preffered! :)

In my case i use it more as a universal device than a phone. Remember that. :)

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* The games are great and look absolutely wonderful. I stopped using my nintendo DS altogether. You would be surprised of the quality. It´s a valid gaming platform.

* The messaging-system with history including mms and what not (It´s laid out like a chat window). Although the auto-correction on texts pisses me off at times.

* Surfing the web. Quick and smooth. No lite-mobile versions of pages and very quick due to 3G. :)

* Musicplayer and videoplayer. I used to fly around quite a bit. Just watch a movie and bang. Time flies.

* Touchscreen. Clear, bright, high res and responsive. I have the newer 3GS and its supersnappy. I heard the older ones are a bit slower.

* The applications. Access whatever the hell you want, anywhere, anytime. Dropbox, Twitter, MSN, Your email. Use it for your training as a personal gps-thing and upload info online to see how far you´ve run and quickly.

* The gps/map function. Saved me time and my ass many a time. You´re looking for a place youve never been at? Just pinpoint your location on the map and search for it. Bang. You get a direction to go including compass.

* Remote control. I can control movies etc being played on my computer / projector from the couch with my freakin phone. VLC-iphone app.

I could write more but I don´t wanna stroke more apple-cock. I´m with you guys on most of the things you say, I just happen to think that the iphone is a good device... It´s just very pricey all because it has an apple on it (and i´d buy it even if it didn´t).

My tip xoliul is that if you ever get the chance to hold one, just do it. Drop your opinions about macs and apples. It´s quite a solid product although overpriced.


EDIT: There is a few really horrible shitty things about the iphone though. Batterytime (really lousy!) and the whole itunes thing. Shit sux.

Especially that you have to synch it, If you use two comps they have to be identical or you will loose stuff next time you synch it.

[ChrisG]

ipods are the biggest con in history, terrible head phones below average sound quality and no easy way of putting your music onto it add that to a bumped up price tag and you have an all round shite product.

[ChrisG]

I´ll just mention the things I like with it then you can decide if there´s anything of value in it. Every person is different and want different things. In my case I´m a gadget-nerd with small pockets. All in one preffered! :)

In my case i use it more as a universal device than a phone.

---

* The games are great and look absolutely wonderful. I stopped using my nintendo DS altogether. You would be surprised of the quality. It´s a valid gaming platform.

* The messaging-system with history including mms and what not (It´s laid out like a chat window). Although the auto-correction on texts pisses me off at times.

* Surfing the web. Quick and smooth. No lite-mobile versions of pages and very quick due to 3G. :)

* Musicplayer and videoplayer. I used to fly around quite a bit. Just watch a movie and bang. Time flies.

* Touchscreen. Clear, bright, high res and responsive. I have the newer 3GS and its supersnappy. I heard the older ones are a bit slower.

* The applications. Access whatever the hell you want, anywhere, anytime. Dropbox, Twitter, MSN, Your email. Use it for your training as a personal gps-thing and upload info online to see how far you´ve run and quickly.

* The gps/map function. Saved me time and my ass many a time. You´re looking for a place youve never been at? Just pinpoint your location on the map and search for it. Bang. You get a direction to go including compass.

* Remote control. I can control movies etc being played on my computer / projector from the couch with my freakin phone. VLC-iphone app.

I could write more but I don´t wanna stroke more apple-cock. I´m with you guys on most of the things you say, I just happen to think that the iphone is a good device... It´s just very pricey all because it has an apple on it (and i´d buy it even if it didn´t).

My tip xoliul is that if you ever get the chance to hold one, just do it. Drop your opinions about macs and apples. It´s quite a solid product although overpriced.

its still ridiculously expensive

[tacit math]

well. i'm a little drunk right now so i'll bring the acid. macs are for girls. just. with their glowy bubbly scrollbars and drop shadow windows. just. fuck. fuck off. tuck your penis up into a vag shape fella's if that's your platform of choice

don't even get me started on the iPhone. you ladies compact sporting motherfuckers

[Wahlgren]

its still ridiculously expensive
Yes it is. No arguments there, Even mentioned it a few times.

One of the biggest reasons I got mine was as travelling security. The whole gps-thing and translator. Was gonna spend some time in china.

[Japhir]

ipods are the biggest con in history, terrible head phones below average sound quality and no easy way of putting your music onto it add that to a bumped up price tag and you have an all round shite product.
I disagree with that, I got my old ipod nano (http://www.hifi.nl/gfx/Nano_120905.jpg) (the old one ;)) quite a while ago, and all the simple mp3 players I had before that used to crash within half a year, buttons falling off and software crashing. Never had that problem with this thing. I did have to buy new earplugs every now and then, and i agree that the default ones suck pretty bad, but overall a good product :).

[ChrisG]

I disagree with that, I got my old ipod nano (http://www.hifi.nl/gfx/Nano_120905.jpg) (the old one ;)) quite a while ago, and all the simple mp3 players I had before that used to crash within half a year, buttons falling off and software crashing. Never had that problem with this thing. I did have to buy new earplugs every now and then, and i agree that the default ones suck pretty bad, but overall a good product :).

im not disagreeing with the quality (which is very very goood) but the issues surrounding the player itself. I got me a creative zen vision m and love it.

[Martin Henriksson]

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant

[Ravenslayer]

the only thing that bothers me about those commercials and about the new windows commercials is the I AM A PC/MAC phrase.
Since when are we the hardware that we own. Oke if we came to a point where all of us are cyborgs. But even then i would first check the buglists instead of watching such a lame commercial , you don't want to end up having your brain deleted by some bug or having a bluescreen in front of your eyes

[Justin Meisse]

c'mon John Hodgman! It's got the HODG!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W51H1croBw

[hyrumark]

The 90% of the world who chooses PC's over Macs should feel offended by these ads. Implying that anyone who uses a PC is an out of touch simpleton who just doesn't know any better.

[Blaizer]

Mac... pc... but if i can run os X in my PC ¬¬, why do i need to waste the double of money in a MAC? because it has an apple?

BTW, i have a creative vision M, and it works like the first day. Sound in apple mp3s is a shit, i bought a ipod touch long ago and i sold it, to buy a cowon s9, cheaper, fantastic, and like gold. I don't need to charge the mp3 player all the days.

Win 7, yeah.. Microsoft Japan’s CEO Yasuyuki Higuchi has been humiliated live on stage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYZH-6lyJhU&feature=player_embedded

A way to go...

[hawken]

never really been a fan of the get a mac ads. I find them funny at times but also snide and pompous.

mac is hardly the game developers platform of choice. It's natural that most game devs wouldn't touch one with a barge pole.

However I do take a dislike to the un-informed trash in this thread: hardly any employed designers use them / they are expensive / they are slow / only one button - myths.

Most of the graphic design or production studios I've been to are 99% mac. I sometimes ask why and the usual response is that they are reliable and handle print setting / video crunching properly. The standard desktop iMac is capable of all sort of things, even the graphics card has been 512mb for the past 3 or 4 years and totally capable of running high end games. The newest one can handle 16gb of ram with a Quad core processor. This is billed as a "consumer" machine.

When you pitch the Mac Pro against a Dell of the same spec, a Mac Pro is cheaper. Mac Pro also have server grade components and intel chips that take months to appear on pc hardware (Xeon, and now Nehalem. Soon Gulftown six-core), if you needed some serious beef they also support upto 128gb ram. This is the same case with the laptops. The hardware you get is really high quality and often first to the market.

I'm not going to preach the personal reasons I use a mac, however ignorance about the hardware should be set straight.

[Jeremy Wright]

I don't understand the draw of the Macs. I can build a much better computer for the same price or less. The same could be said of Dell, or a number of PC companies, though.


Also, a mac is a PC. How stupid does that make that commercial look, now?

In an unrelated Apple experience:
I spent nearly $300 on my wife's iPOD touch and the fucking headphone jack didn't work. We returned it for another and, now, 2 months later, the jack in this one doesn't work. She's going to send it in to be serviced.

[Justin Meisse]

the "I'm a PC" commercials were done with Macs :P

It's just one of those things, back in the old days Macs trounced PC's with audio/video/font handling and they became the defacto platform in those industries. I've heard that Apple didn't want to promote gaming on their platform because they wanted to foster the idea that they were work machines not toys.

[hawken]

I can build a much better computer for the same price or less.

hang on, did a fault with your headphone jack on a freaking iPod suddenly equate that you can build a better computer?

Did I miss something?

anyone reading this thread can go to a website and build a computer for less.

[Ged]

honestly Im probably going to change to a mac at work but thats only because the rest of my studio is pretty much on macs and I use C4D for 3D and font and compatability issues can randomly plague our projects when we collaborate.

[Taylor Hood]

When I tell people I'm an artist, sometimes people ask me

"Really? Do you use a Mac"?


My retort is usually 'No, I'm an EMPLOYED artist'.



:)

:) +1

[GCMP]

Macs - too expensive, poor software support and for upgrading components but good virus protection because no-one bothers to write harmful code in osx.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6553260189868317794#docid=2285904448784173497

O and the userbase: If your head is full of fluffy cuddly bunnies and air then buy a mac.

[Sandbag]

what it comes down to Hawken is that you CAN build a PC for less, you can NOT build a Mac. They keep their motherboards to themselves which means no matter how hard you try you just cant do it. Maybe, just maybe, you can hack together a version of OSX that runs on windows hardware but then why? You just removed all stability.

Their "special" ram is ridiculously over priced, though at least you can buy it outside of a computer.

And then there's iMacs. Seriously. Do people normally buy a brand new monitor every time they get a new computer? Well if you get an iMac you do, because it's BUILT IN. You want that brand new shiny $2200.00 imac with a 27in screen and half-breed touchpad mouse? Have fun throwing away your entire previous setup. And get ready to do it again in 2 years when they release the 29" iMac. Oh and that touch screen mouse? BACK TO ONE BUTTON. It doesn't even have physical buttons (damn you steve jobs OCD), and they limit it to one "click zone."

Yes, I know, option key. But wtf? Why when you can have any number of buttons you please on a touch surface do you say "you know what, it's hardware set to one clickable button. You have to do the rest with gestures. Fuck you."

Even then at least iMac hardware isn't a COMPLETE rip off compared to macbooks. Say what you will about dell pcs, but it's almost a challenge to find a laptop with identical specs (and if you count OS as a spec, then load it with linux...turns out it's still UNIX) for half the price.

The only brand I can think of that comes close is that bullshit Sony Vaio line.

[Illusions]

When you pitch the Mac Pro against a Dell of the same spec, a Mac Pro is cheaper.

Source? I'd like to see why you're claiming this as my weekend Best Buy circular had an i7 HP laptop (I know, not Dell, but its a PC) next to a dual core Mac Pro and the HP cost far less and had better or similar specs.

Mac Pro also have server grade components and intel chips that take months to appear on pc hardware (Xeon, and now Nehalem. Soon Gulftown six-core), if you needed some serious beef they also support upto 128gb ram. This is the same case with the laptops. The hardware you get is really high quality and often first to the market.This is because Apple has some deals with Intel and other hardware manufacturers where they can put out their stuff first. Its not because Apple hardware or software is inherently special, its because Apple paid them off so they can be special. There are already test PC's out in the wild with 8 core CPU's. Windows runs on them just fine. If Apple does eventually debut them first it isn't going to be because their hardware or software is special, but because they paid to do so.

[Mark Dygert]

When you have nothing positive to say about your product, go negative on the other guy and hope people don't notice.

[Justin Meisse]

these religion threads never end well

[Slum]

Linux.

[Jeremy Wright]

Did I miss something?

Apparently so. The first part of my post was unrelated to the second part. I'll edit my post so it's obvious that my Touch experience is an unrelated anecdote.

The Touch's quality has nothing to do with being able to get more bang for my buck by building my own PC, which I state in the post goes for other PC companies as well.

I just don't understand the draw of the Mac as a thing to label yourself as a user of. To me it's about what's inside vs cost. It's no different than Makita vs Dewalt vs Craftsman, etc. Some people get really caught up in brand loyalty.

Apple has a brilliant marketing hype strategy, though.

[danshewan]

It's no different than Makita vs Dewalt vs Craftsman, etc. Some people get really caught up in brand loyalty.

True. The whole Apple fanboyism thing always reminds me of a quote from Douglas Coupland's jPod:

Don’t discuss Sony like it’s a great big benevolent cartoon character who lives next door to Astro Boy. Like any company, Sony is comprised of individuals who are fearful for their jobs on a daily basis, and who make lame decisions based pretty much on fear and conforming to social norms — but then, that’s every corporation on earth, so don’t single out one specific corporation as lovable and cute. They’re all evil and greedy.

[Ninjas]

It would be more annoying if it weren't true. Is search still broken in 7? What about the folders changing format by themselves? What about "warning" me when I do totally normal stuff? Is Games for Windows gone?

I am not a huge Mac fan, but their battery life seems to be better than any PC laptop I have seen. My wife has had hers for 2 or 3 years and it just now is having a little trouble holding a charge. Probably still good for a few hours unplugged.

[flaagan]

Linux.

Fuck that, poser. My Os Lead system will never crash, but I do occasionally need a pencil sharpener to improve performance, and the user interface does decrease a little over time. However, replacements are cheap and I the new Mechanical version is pretty badass.

[kat]

The ads are amusing but having done tech support for both *types* of computer, the truth is that they're just a shit as each other and equally prone to problems.

[xvampire]

hi, new as active user(not new but well rarely post). im currently looking for article of
any kind of Ipod touch game made by mac.

anyone have it?

[Keg]

I was looking at macbooks when I was looking for a laptop as they had the better laptop graphics card in them at the price range I was looking in. I ended up finding a better laptop over at newegg. The only point the cheapest macbook beats it on is battery life.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220566

For the iphone, I personally don't see the appeal to it. There's been multiple stories of Apple screwing over developers and rejecting anything that might compete with their products. I personally like to see competition in software, it tends to make things better as each software competes for the market share. I personally like the android phones since they are a more open platform for developers and don't try to restrict applications just because they dulicate or even look similar in some fashion to something apple already made.

[hawken]

And then there's iMacs. Seriously. Do people normally buy a brand new monitor every time they get a new computer? Well if you get an iMac you do, because it's BUILT IN. You want that brand new shiny $2200.00 imac with a 27in screen and half-breed touchpad mouse? Have fun throwing away your entire previous setup. And get ready to do it again in 2 years when they release the 29" iMac. Oh and that touch screen mouse? BACK TO ONE BUTTON. It doesn't even have physical buttons (damn you steve jobs OCD), and they limit it to one "click zone."

Yes, I know, option key. But wtf?

the mouse has more than one button - it senses your fingers like the previous mouse, which has 5 buttons. This new one has right click, why do you think it doesn't?

on the subject of the new iMac, read this:

http://www.marco.org/222434049

[hawken]

I just don't understand the draw of the Mac as a thing to label yourself as a user of. To me it's about what's inside vs cost. It's no different than Makita vs Dewalt vs Craftsman, etc. Some people get really caught up in brand loyalty.

I use wacom for the same reasons I use a mac. sure theres other pen tablets out there, but they fall apart, or are just built badly.

back when I used to make games I went through 3 dells in one year. I bought a top of the range HP and it melted it's self just outside of warranty. To this day, the hardware I got off Jobs hasn't failed once. I'm currently using a $600 mac mini - the hardware is flawless.

(ram prices from apple are daylight robbery, so skip that)

Sure I could get the same for cheaper, but it would be low grade, noisy and probably break (at that price point)

[AshleyTayles]

I agree with whoever said it, what's with the computer in a screen bullshit that has been going on recently?

I hate Apple, why? Because of these arrogant adverts. If two kids are selling lemonade on the same street but one's getting more sales because he's next to a bus stop and the other kid starts calling him a twat and telling everyone his lemonade is crap, people will ignore/take a dislike to him, NOT BUY THE KIDS FUCKING LEMONADE!

"Oh, hi Mac, how are you?"
"I'm great PC, I just brought myself a new iMac, it's got 2gb of RAM more than my last iMac!"
"Really? How much did that cost?"
"Only £1300, but it's alright, I sold my last one for £400 so it didn't really cost that much!"
"Well I just added 4gb of RAM and a second harddrive for £100."
"..."

[Sandbag]

You can click anywhere, but it's all the same click; when I read the announcement it very much sounded like it's a single click because the entire surface was a single 'click zone', rather than "click here for left click, click here for right click" etc

I know that you can buy any normal usb mouse for a mac but when it comes with an $70.00 mouse it seems ridiculous to have to buy a new one.

After checking the apple site it does not clarify one way or the other on the number of unique click zones, though the only image that attempts to display/address it shows a single zone in the center/front of the mouse.

I have an acer laptop that I've had for four years that I got with twice the specs and screen size and half the price of the closest comprable mac book and it has lasted me four years with no hardware issues whatsoever. When I build my own towers they always use high quality parts and are still leagues cheaper than comparable mac products.

Macs are not magically "higher quality", this myth is ridiculous. The best part about mac products are the liberal use of aluminum (on the top end models).

As for the new imac article, a "free computer stuck to the back" is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. The "starting price" of a 1699.00 27" is a Core 2 Duo, 4gb RAM, 256mb radeon. Very far from a "super computer."

If you want a computer that is actually more than a screen upgrade it will run you $2399.00; that's a 2.8ghz i7 (defualt is an i5), 4x2gb (8gb) of ram (default is 4), 1Tb hdd.

[skankerzero]

I'm happy with my Android powered MyTouch/HTC Dream.

I used my friend's iPhone a lot, but in the end, it was too restricted for me.

With this phone, I can replace the battery (novel concept there) if needed and use up to a 16 gig mini sd card. Those two alone were enough to make it far superior to the iphone.

Granted, webbrowsing isn't as smooth as the iphone, but that's a small gripe compared to being able to expand my memory and replace my battery.

[Justin Meisse]

Macs are not magically "higher quality", this myth is ridiculous. The best part about mac products are the liberal use of aluminum (on the top end models).

As someone who's had their hands in thousands of computers over the last 10 or so years, the manufacturing quality on macs are generally better. Except for the beige G3 tower, I think the devil designed that case.

[ebagg]

I think this sums it up nicely: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant

[Richard Kain]

Wow. I had no idea there was so much anti-Mac sentiment on these boards. Personally, I'm fine with Macs. I like the external design of the systems, and I like Mac OS X quite a bit. It is a clean, orderly operating system that tends to be very stable.

The biggest argument in favor of Windows is that its still the most popular platform for releasing games. And this is just because of its install base, not because of any other benefit that it provides. I've never really liked Windows as an operating system. It's buggy, unstable, and has a lot of lazy practices in its development.

Of course, one of the best modern options is Linux. (and its various distributions) Using Linux provides you with the benefit of being able to assemble your own system. (one of the biggest draws of a non-Mac system) It also gives you a stable, customizeable, and memory-efficient operating system. (one of the biggest draws of a non-Windows system) The truly tech-savvy should all be using Linux.

[Noia]

Fanboys complaining about fanboys.

[Steviant]

I love that people still continue this debate, like choice of computers is like a political leaning or religious belief.

I like Macs, I don't like Windows. Whenever PC users ask me why, I say because I prefer them, which 99% of the time spurs them to say "but you can't do [insert subject here] on a Mac!" and "but they're so expensive!". Both of which are irrational arguments. I have a Mac (two, actually), so the price isn't a factor that stops me from getting them, and if I wanted to do something with a computer that OSX can't do, I'll buy a Windows computer or install Windows as a dual-boot.

The other fun argument is "Well, why do you use Windows? Ubuntu is better, and it's free" and then watch them try to define what "better" and "worse" means in computing terms, and sit back and enjoy the show.

[flaagan]

I will chime in to say this.. I want to stab in the face whoever penned the Mac ads that suggest all pc's are beige cases. I also want to stab in the face the fanboy I know who suggested cool pc cases only started to exist after Apple's candy-colored cases came into existence.

[BradMyers82]

Ha ha, this thread made me laugh quite a few times.

I really didn't mean to start a debate on which is better Windows or Mac, or even defend one or the other O.S.

All I was saying is that the commercials are really annoying and they are only getting worse. Looks like I'm not the only one who feels this way.

Lots of interesting info in here though :)

[Autocon]

Who cares about PC vrs Mac

Just wait till Google Computers start rolling out.

[mLichy]

Well it's the same shit with the ps3 and 360, it seems that feud will never end. People just like to bitch, although I have my moments too. But usually my motto is, "If you don't like it, don't buy it".

[hawken]

After checking the apple site it does not clarify one way or the other on the number of unique click zones, though the only image that attempts to display/address it shows a single zone in the center/front of the mouse.

didn't look very hard then:

can this finally put the "but you can't right click!" myth to bed?

http://www.macinstruct.com/new/images/columns/mouse6.jpg

http://www.macinstruct.com/new/images/columns/mouse8.jpg

http://images.apple.com/magicmouse/images/software_20091020.jpg

Apple has been shipping right click, scrolling and swiping mice for many years on all models.

I wouldn't advise using an apple mouse though... they are crap.

[D4V1DC]

Macs = Scam <hmmm.

Windows should use that /\ in a commercial that would stick it to them!

I don't care either way (I PC) until something better comes around, I heard google and hopefully it will happen.
Also all the videos being posted are awesome!

[Xaltar]

I don't swing either way. I like aspects of both and dislike them both in equal measure :P

Using macs is a refreshing break from windows systems and likewise, when I want to game I use a PC unless the mac version is better....

[fly_soup]

I still like the Apple commercials, for the most part. I don't use a Mac because of the pricing and software availability, but the stuff they say about Windows in the commercials is all mostly true, so it's kind of funny.

Some of the older ones (like the Christmas one, for instance) where they just made the Mac guy out to be an all-around nice guy and the PC to be kind of a jerk, I liked less.

I don't like any of the Windows "I'm a PC" ads though. The Mac ones weren't intended to be showing Mac and PC users, they were supposed to be personifications of the products themselves. But in the Windows ads, it's like they missed that and they're using the same vocabulary but showing a broad range of users instead of a human representation of their OS. So where Mac shows its OS as a cool young guy who's probably in a band and stuff, Windows presents an 8 year old girl who makes slideshows. Or even worse, they show the little montages with different kinds of people saying they're PCs, and almost all of them look a little skeezy or appear on a grainy webcam.

The shopping ones are stupid too. Anyone who has special computer needs probably already knows what their options and price ranges are, and anyone who just wants Facebook, YouTube, porn, and photo storage can either buy an epic Mac or pick up a netbook for under $300. So I don't see how those ads really target anyone.

Realistically though, I think the markets for both options are already aware of what's out there. I assume Microsoft and Apple are after some sort of untapped computer userbase or people who are already thinking about switching from one to the other; but I think brand-awareness TV ads are an old-fashioned, expensive, annoying, and minimally effective way to promote their products. Computers are already everywhere, and it's not something most people purchase on a regular basis and might casually switch between, like soap. They're not like cars, where rich people might decide to buy a few extra ones just for the fuck of it, or a regular person might happen to be in the market for one and want to know which of like a hundred models to choose from. But they're running TV ads anyway, seemingly because that's just the thing to do when you're a company.

[HonkyPunch]

I've only ever used a PC, and I feel like a complete idiot when I attempt to operate a Mac. Therefore, I will stick with Pc. It's not got a user friendly interface, leastwise not for me, i just can't get it's complex simplicities through my dense windows bleached skull

[hawken]

As someone who's had their hands in thousands of computers over the last 10 or so years, the manufacturing quality on macs are generally better. Except for the beige G3 tower, I think the devil designed that case.

I used to have a G3 quicksilver and it was a huge pile of dung. The fan sounded like a jet engine getting ready for take off. Probably the worst machine they ever made (well, apart from the Cube)

[oXYnary]

I use wacom for the same reasons I use a mac. sure theres other pen tablets out there, but they fall apart, or are just built badly.

back when I used to make games I went through 3 dells in one year. I bought a top of the range HP and it melted it's self just outside of warranty. To this day, the hardware I got off Jobs hasn't failed once. I'm currently using a $600 mac mini - the hardware is flawless.

(ram prices from apple are daylight robbery, so skip that)

Sure I could get the same for cheaper, but it would be low grade, noisy and probably break (at that price point)

There is one thing that Macs fail at. Building your own system with top of the line equipment you choose. I have no sympathy for people whom use HP or Dell as comparisons as reason why Macs are better. Why don't they try like Falcon Northwest or companies that specifically use name brand components and hand build systems versus outsourcing?

Again, beyond this. Building your own yields the best results (with research). But like the Yo Yo MA commercial, I have to agree. If you have no hardware interest, and just want things to "work". Then if your stuck in the fortune 500 mindset, Apple is the tier.

I do love this though. I know Hawken your more just keeping it real versus a fanboy. But for fans who are ignorant of Apple being another corporate entity sucked into the hype. They never did stop their contract with Foxxconn, even though that employees suicide has not been the first complaint with Foxconns employee relations.

http://gizmodo.com/5322108/why-apple-will-probably-keep-doing-business-with-foxconn-after-iphone-leak-death

[Ged]

I think all the mac and pc(windows) adverts are stupid. Mac is a brand, PC is a label. A label under which mac also falls(personal computer). You cant compare a brand with a label. Thats like saying a ford is better than a car or a sony bravia is better than a television. Its a pointless argument with no grounds in reality. Anyone who doesnt realise that a mac is a pc has just been duped by good marketing.

[JohnnySix]

Nice analogy Ged! :D

But a Apple isn't just a fruit, it's a lifestyle ! :poly124:


Polycount needs to release a greentooth range of PC's - I'd switch.

http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs51/f/2009/300/5/b/pcpc_by_JohnnySix.jpg

[Sandbag]

Hawken that's not the new mouse I was talking about.

http://www.apple.com/magicmouse/

that's what I meant, infinite click zone possibilities, yet only one is implemented in Steve Jobs infinite quest to eliminate buttons and functionality. Hopefully it will be fixed/upgraded/hacked on the software end...

[Mark Dygert]

I think all the mac and pc(windows) adverts are stupid. Mac is a brand, PC is a label. A label under which mac also falls(personal computer). You cant compare a brand with a label. Thats like saying a ford is better than a car or a sony bravia is better than a television. Its a pointless argument with no grounds in reality. Anyone who doesnt realise that a mac is a pc has just been duped by good marketing.
Marketing based on facts and figures stopped working a long time ago.

I'd like to see that conversation take place in a Mac commercial format.

Mac: Hey customer, hows it going?
Customer: Good good...
PC: hi.
Customer: Oh you scared me, hi PC, ha ha ha, does he always do that?
Mac: Yea he's everywhere, that rascal...
PC: You know Mac's are Personal Computers too.
Customer: Is that true Mac are you a... ahh... a PC?
Mac: Well... ahh... not just a PC, I'm Mac and I'm ahh different, but in a good way.
Customer: But you're a Machintosh Personal Computer, right?
Mac: yes... but BUT but... yes...
PC: It's ok mac we still love you.

Besides it's too hard to go head to head with all the other brands. What would they do, call one character, Dell, Hewlett Packard, Gateway Emachine, IBM the 3rd? There goes half of your ad spot right there and gives all those companies an opening to sue. It also seems to put them on "equal ground" instead of 1 in 1000 computers being a mac now there are 1 in 2. Oh and this one is spunky, I like that.

[MattQ86]

While I don't really hold preferences toward one massive billion dollar software company over the other, Windows doesn't look like a giant fetal alcohol syndrome Photoshop (well, maybe Vista kinda does).

That said here's a list of things that anger me about those ads, besides the fact that they collect logical fallacies like Pokemon.


The people who are zealots for how easy Apple PCs are to use don't know shit about Apple before they were coating their computers in a rainbow of butt ugly late 90s plastic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Macintosh_viruses
Saying that the Windows interface scares you because it has buttons and functionality doesn't make you cool, it makes you a goddamn caveman.
They expect me to side with that douchebag from Accepted (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accepted)over John Hodgeman? John Hodgeman wrote a book that dedicates a large portion of the reader's time to a list of 700 hobo names.
(http://e-hobo.com/hoboes/list/)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVwbhsqEyNI
I really wish ninja terrorists from the future would blow up Justin Long with a bazooka.

[Vailias]

Switch! to the dark side (http://www.atom.com/funny_videos/dark_switch/)

[glib]

Those commercials are still, frankly, brilliant. They present the Mac as an equal to the Windows environment, and get people talking about it as such. They still have less than 10% market share (I think?) but they get a whole hell of a lot more consideration when buying a new computer. This is sort of the same issue scientists have with presenting 'intelligent design' at the same time as evolution: when you present only two options at the same time, the listener will tend to believe they have equal weight, even if one is just a fringe theory with next to no support.

[Justin Meisse]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_computer_viruses_(all)

The mac based network I helped manage had no antivirus until we had to start integrated some PCs into it, they started injecting infected word and excel documents into the system. While the macroviruses didn't affect the macs they did become carriers. I'm kind of happy I left around that time because the pcs were becoming a major headache.

I used to be an irrational hater like the rest of you guys until I had a choice of working on macs or flipping burgers. I'm not saying everyone here should go out and buy a mac (i'm running a homebuilt pc myself) but no one ever stops to think why Mac users love their platform and we begrudgingly like our PC platform at the best of times


But really, these commercials target the large masses of clueless users: The people who buy a PC, use it for a few years until it's horribly bogged down by viruses and malware, and then give it to their nephew or throw it away. Some of them are lucky and have relatives like us that fix their computers every year during holiday visits.

[flaagan]

I'll tell you one thing I hate apple for, and this may sound odd, but I blame them for car stereos sucking (aftermarket and stock). With all the cool tech we have for screens, music storage / playback, gps, etc.. all the stereo companies haven't really updated their products for years, other than to add a goddamned ipod cable.

[Noia]

Interesting tidbit. The actors are actually the opposite, Hodgman being a longtime Mac user and Justin Long uses PC.

[Kitteh]

didn't look very hard then:

can this finally put the "but you can't right click!" myth to bed?

http://www.macinstruct.com/new/images/columns/mouse6.jpg

http://www.macinstruct.com/new/images/columns/mouse8.jpg

http://images.apple.com/magicmouse/images/software_20091020.jpg

Apple has been shipping right click, scrolling and swiping mice for many years on all models.

I wouldn't advise using an apple mouse though... they are crap.

I fucking HATE the mighty mouse. Fuck Apple and their stupid unergonomic minimalistic geometrically shaped bullshit everything.

[man_o_mule]

while the apple commercials tend to be well done/funny they tend to remind me of mud throwing commercials that you see durring election years. They just want to bash the compitition enough that you associate bad things with them. When they should be showing thier winning features.

[hawken]

I think all the mac and pc(windows) adverts are stupid. Mac is a brand, PC is a label. A label under which mac also falls(personal computer). You cant compare a brand with a label. Thats like saying a ford is better than a car or a sony bravia is better than a television. Its a pointless argument with no grounds in reality. Anyone who doesnt realise that a mac is a pc has just been duped by good marketing.

to be fair, the commercials are not about hardware. They are about the operating systems: Mac OSX and Windows.

Although calling the guys by those names wouldn't really stick, so it's simplified to mac and pc.

Mac OSX is highly ergonomic and robust, but when using professional applications all day like potatoshop it offers little difference to windows. I use Windows quite often on my mac, as it can do many things Mac OSX cannot. Running windows inside Mac OSX is funny.

[hawken]

Hawken that's not the new mouse I was talking about.

http://www.apple.com/magicmouse/

that's what I meant, infinite click zone possibilities, yet only one is implemented in Steve Jobs infinite quest to eliminate buttons and functionality. Hopefully it will be fixed/upgraded/hacked on the software end...

I posted a picture of that, it has an option for secondary button set to right.

Mac mice are traditionally bad, but from their point of view, the operating system negates the need for a right click. The developers of Mac OSX are always trying to strip things back down to their basic needs. No hidden menus, no essential functions buried deep in contextual right clicks. The right click is something that wasn't designed into macs from the start and it's hard to justify a need, which only arises with more complex professional software like 3d applications or gaming software. The people who do this on the mac are most likely to buy a logitec or wacom like any other pc user.

[hawken]

I do love this though. I know Hawken your more just keeping it real versus a fanboy. B

heh yes I'm just offering my opinion as a professional using a mac. There's a lot of irrational mac hate on here, it's hard to put people straight without sounding like a fanboi sometimes.

[hawken]

I used to be an irrational hater like the rest of you guys until I had a choice of working on macs or flipping burgers. I'm not saying everyone here should go out and buy a mac (i'm running a homebuilt pc myself) but no one ever stops to think why Mac users love their platform and we begrudgingly like our PC platform at the best of times

I was a mac hater for years. I saw the hardware as slow and expensive. Until my HP spas-tastically died on me and a friend kindly gave me a spare mac. At first I wondered how I was going to get anything done. Turned out that all the annoying aspects on using windows are just not apparent on the mac.

[pior]

Hey guys I too think the 'no need for right click anyways' justification is bogus. I use a macbook pretty much every day (OSX, not bootcamp) and I use the double-finger tapping on the trackpad basically every minute. Most Apple software design/UI decisions somehow can be fanboyized for this or that reason, but no one can make me believe that OSX apps are streamlined for 'no hidden menus'. Ever tried Itunes? Opera? Finder? Honestly I don't even know what keyboard button to press if I had to emulate right click hehe. Plus even if the mouse has two captors under on continuous shape ... it's still kinda stupid. Separated mouse buttons are COOL. :P

Also I tried that one mouse they released last week... it truly is horrible. Finger flicks on a sliding object ? Hehehe I really don't know what they were smoking this time :P Also their mouse DEceleration algorithm ... come on ... it makes twitchy, accurate mouse use a real, REAL pain. No software trick or fix out there completely removes it. Yuck!

Macbooks are still, by far, one of the best choice for media boxes / light work / web stuff. Rock solid.

[Sage]

Prior to emulate right click on the Mac you press control not to be confused with command. Mac blows cause Apple made them suck!!! But you can buy a real mouse with two buttons and a wheel and they seem to work fine. I have hooked up my mouse to my mothers Mac when I had to use and it seems to work fine. Right click even.

Expensive door stops thats what I call them, it's all thanks to Apple being the worthless pieces of crap that they are. You can only resize the windows how they want you to. Yup lower righ corner like the quicktime software. They are so cheap you don't have a text editor shipping with Macs now. I'm glad microsoft doesn't make PCs or things would be just as bad.

I hate both commercials, the I'm a PC, windows 7 it's because of me bs and Mac we are better... but whatever.

[pior]

ooooh haha I forgot about the resize-not-really-rezise :P I have a little piece of code for that if anyone is interested, for Safari :

(FUCK I tried dragging it in the text box and it disappeared with a puff of smoke wth)

Here it is again :
http://www.bit-101.com/blog/?p=2178

[hawken]

But you can buy a real mouse with two buttons and a wheel and they seem to work fine. I have hooked up my mouse to my mothers Mac when I had to use and it seems to work fine. Right click even.

Yeah it's this new fangled invention called USB. I bet the mac didn't waste your time by showing you a useless message telling you that you plugged in a mouse?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3138/3011228350_29c91e31c6.jpg


Expensive door stops thats what I call them, it's all thanks to Apple being the worthless pieces of crap that they are. You can only resize the windows how they want you to. Yup lower righ corner like the quicktime software.

who would have thought that was an issue. Never occurred to me before. Logically you would re-size a document from the lower right hand corner right? Mac OSX is not there to copy Windows. It has it's own heritage, that windows emulated.


They are so cheap you don't have a text editor shipping with Macs now.

Err, you mean like TextEdit and Pages, which ship on all macs?
Let's see word as part of windows and you have an argument.

http://www.hardwarezone.com/img/data/articles/2004/1205/textedit.jpg
http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/16/0,1425,sz=1&i=167444,00.gif

Seriously, where do you guys make this shit up? Ignorance on a subject is one thing, but spouting it on forums? keep it to your self.

The apple mac is and has always been geared towards writers, and many hundreds of famous writers have been using them for decades right from Douglas Adams to Michael Crichton.

[Snowfly]

Pages doesn't ship free with Macs. :-)

[pior]

Yup that text editor looks good, what is this? I am 99% sure it's not on my machine. If we weren't talking Macs I would think it's a warez copy you are talking about here! Hehe.

I am interested, since another reason why I got a Macbook is to clean up lecture notes and such from the couch.

Hawk, dont get angry ... this thread has been impressively kept on rail so far. Are you really saying that, as a graphic designer yourself, you are okay with programs with no maximize button? As an end user I don't care who or what OS did it first - software patents seems flexible enough to let everybody have it. It's funny too, in Silo on the Mac, the green button does indeed maximize. But in Opera it 'auto fits for you'. On itunes, it switches to mini player ... but in Textedit, it does the regular maximize.

Now I understand that this button could be labled 'whatever-ing the window', but I find it baffling that whoever is in charge of OS features updates over there in Macland does not understand that such apparently tiny things are partly what cause genuinely open (non-fanboys) users to pull hairs.

This, the mouse deceleration 'feature', the Enter key renaming stuff instead of opening the file... It's all simple things they could open customization for, but it never ever happens. I don't care if it came first from Mac OS 1.2.0.6 or whatever, hence "has" to stay this way because the Apple scriptures say so : adding a 'OS behavior tweaks' panel in the system preferences would not hurt anyone, and would let folks like us really fine tune their machine. Snap if they want Win user to switch so much, they'd better let them at least perform simple tweaks to ease out the transition. Kindof common sense.

And that's one of the reasons why I would never feel comfortable completely switching to Mac. The OS (at least the user interface of it) seems very set in its very own ways for no reasons and does not seem to open much doors for customization and flexibility. Which is stupid, considering how elegant some of its features are ...

[flaagan]

I wouldn't mind running some kind of reverse boot camp setup on my PC, but since Apple's such a bunch of cock-sucking blowhards about what you can put their OS on that I'd have to jump through hoops to make a hackintosh (I love the existence of that word). Granted, I have zero use for what the Apple OS offers and in general am not a huge fan of the differences in interface between Windows and the Apple OS (I refuse to call it whatever animal name their marketing has come up with), I'd still like to have that option available.

I sometimes wonder how much love there'd be for the Apple OS if it had to support a proper HUGE hardware bases like Windows does, cause I'm sure it'd still be as big an install as it was before the latest release (where they cut support for older hardware).

[Xaltar]

The reason mac OS is as stable as it is is purely because its made for specific hardware and doesn't need to be compatable with 10k brands of motherboard/ram/cpu/etc...etc...

That is Mac's major advantage over PC. I like using both, its like driving a porsche then driving a 1000 horse tuner, both are awesome fun but you can't put them in the same catagory.

[Joao Sapiro]

http://mural.uv.es/igilgir/images/South%20park/stan.gif

You know , i learned something today...Its not about brands or fashion trends that allows us to use a computer to do our job, sure if i can do it on a mac why switch to windows and vice versa ? its all about personal choice and im glad apple exists otherwise my ipod wouldnt work.

[kwakkie]

Is it possible to bind certain keys/shortkuts to the gesture you make on the Magic Mouse? Im thinking about buying one and this thread seems to have some users on it(well... actually... only hawken as far as I can tell lol :P).
Id love to make a zoom in/out gesture for photoshop by splitting/joining your fingers on the mouse (my wacoms zoom thingies are broken :( ).

[Sage]

Mac OS used to come with a free text editor it was called simple text. Now I have to download a free one for the Mac because Apple doesn't think people need that. I guess people don't write html on Macs. :D without Dreamweaver or something similar. No it doesn't come with a word processor either.

My point with the mouse is almost anyone I have I have tested works, yet apple doesn't freaking include a useful one because again, it's easier on the user to control click than right click when using something like Photoshop. It's like working with your hand behind your back and being told if only you could right click. LOL

[Justin Meisse]

huuhhhhhhh? I'm going to call bullshit on the no TextEdit thing, that was pretty funny though. I tried to coach my mom into fixing something on her PC over the phone and she said it didn't have Internet Explorer: Windows doesn't come with a web browser!

Hawkin: I believe Pages comes with iWorks, you can buy OSX bundled with iWorks and it's a helluvalot cheaper than MS Office.

[Davision3D]

I can not find the delete key on my macbook! Can some pro mac user help me? :P

[ChrisG]

so, how about that god guy then.

[rooster]

which, jobs or gates?

[rolfness]

why are you lot still arguing its the most inane thread ever. why hasnt it been closed yet?

[Justin Meisse]

I can not find the delete key on my macbook! Can some pro mac user help me? :P

macs don't have delete keys! cuz who really needs to delete anyway!

[Mark Dygert]

No Del key... wow that is anti pc to the extreme.

/rimshot

[Firebert]

why are you lot still arguing its the most inane thread ever. why hasnt it been closed yet?

i think this is a race issue in hindsight......... white cases vs black cases....

[Pankake]

Heh, I recently got one of those mini aluminium keyboards for my desktop, and yeah it came with no delete key, had to use an app called Sharpkeys to hack my right alt into one. And F12 into print screen. But the thing feels so nice to type on, it's worth the hassle!

[Mark Dygert]

Yeah it's this new fangled invention called USB. I bet the mac didn't waste your time by showing you a useless message telling you that you plugged in a mouse?
It's more like Miss Cleo getting a vision.
"Wait I'm getting something, yes yes, its new hardware"
"I've decided this hardware is a printer, and yes I'm attempting to make contact and install drivers"
"Nope, not a printer. Would you like to tell me what kind of device this is and install a driver for it?"

Its a mouse. Here is the driver for it, straight from the manufacture.

"Driver not found for Foreign hardware 08997"
"Foreign hardware 08997 has been set on fire please do not plug this device in again"
"These actions require a restart. restarting in 10min"

Computer magically reboots after 5min, while you're extinguishing the flames of your new purchase.

"Windows has recovered from a serious error, please restart"

No sh!t I choking on toxic fumes thanks to you. Restart.

"Wait wait, I'm getting something, yes yes its new hardware I think its a printer..."

Oh crap I left the mouse plugged in...

[Sandbag]

what kind of crazy hardware do you use? Ever since XP windows has kicked tons of ass for me at automatically detecting, identifying, and installing drivers for all of my USB peripherals.

In fact I consider it pretty fantastic. Do you remember what it was like with serial devices? If you ever lost that damn floppy with the drivers you were fucked.

I didn't even realize that the second imagine (which is for the new mouse, of the three?) was from anything different than the first (formerly) mighty-mouse image on top. My bad.

It always really bothered me that if you didn't throw away...I mean "eject" a jump drive on a mac it would completely corrupt and destroy everything. That is quite possibly the most horrible thing ever. And even when you do properly eject it you get all these damn _ds or whatever duplicate files for everything on it for seemingly no reason.

Working on them in school (all illustration labs were mac only) was maddening for that. I eventually just started bringing in my laptop and working on it in front of the mac.

[thomasp]

what's a jump drive? trying to enter hyperspace?
if you unplug an external drive without ejecting it, all you get is a window with a warning on OSX.

[arshlevon]

max iz better than maya!!!

mudbrush iz better than zbox!!!

pepsi iz better than coke!!!

360 iz better than ps3!!!!!

forza is the definitive game of the millenia!! gt5 can suck a dick!!!



who gives a shit? i have a pc and a mac, like both for different reasons, get over yourselves..

there is so much bullshit in this thread from both sides i just vomited and ate it so i could vomit it back up again.

[adam]

Yea how dare you guys voice your opinions. Stop it this instant. :poly118:

[bearkub]

max iz better than maya!!!

mudbrush iz better than zbox!!!

pepsi iz better than coke!!!

360 iz better than ps3!!!!!

forza is the definitive game of the millenia!! gt5 can suck a dick!!!

who gives a shit? i have a pc and a mac, like both for different reasons, get over yourselves..

there is so much bullshit in this thread from both sides i just vomited and ate it so i could vomit it back up again.

This. I even threw up twice

[Sandbag]

by a jump drive I mean a usb solid state storage stick, also called thumb drives, USB flash drives, pen drives, usb memory sticks, etc.

http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=522&name=USB-Flash-Drives

This corruption issue was still true as recently as OSX Leopard if I recall correctly.

[Justin Meisse]

That's odd, I always thought the "eject before removing" was universal, I know vista has a bug with the U3 drives where it doesn't always eject it properly and it yells at me "yo dawg, you didn't eject your drive before pulling out, your shit might be fucked up!"

I also found out you can't look at LOLcats on Macs, true story.

[Firebert]

I also found out you can't look at LOLcats on Macs, true story.

get out of town

[John Warner]

All I maintain is that I am better than all of you.

[Sage]

I stand corrected, I found text edit today. :D LOL

[man_o_mule]

I also found out you can't look at LOLcats on Macs, true story.

that totally reminded me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oCHxB8d20s

[hawken]

I guess people don't write html on Macs. :D

I'm an abuser of this: http://www.panic.com/coda/

[MALicivs]

who gives a shit? i have a pc and a mac, like both for different reasons, get over yourselves..


which one did you used to post this?

[rolfness]

I ate a big mac does that make me a steve jobs lover?

[toren3d]

I heards Mac is best because yous cans plays Oregon Trail in 4th grade with its.

[Rhinokey]

after the hassles of getting all my recording software going on pc and getting completely dif results on several installs using the same hardware software and everything,, soon as i get some cash my studio is def goina be switched to mac, i'll prob still use pc for most things.. unless i like the mac. which i may, i dont know yet.

[skankerzero]

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/funny-pictures-kitten-macbook-leopard.jpg

[arshlevon]

which one did you used to post this?

LOL, ironically neither, i posted using my android G1.