Workshop #2 - Vassago

[Joshua Stubbles]

Saving spot, starting on this tonight.

[EarthQuake]

NO SPOT SAVING, read the rules punk! What, you think we're going to run out of spots or something? Show some work!

[Joshua Stubbles]

Eat it.

[Pedro Amorim]

:(

[Keen]

Dang it! I was going to reserve MY spot under vassaggo, you beat me to it.

lolololol

[mLichy]

So... where's your stuff... huh... huh... ha.

[Joshua Stubbles]

Yes yes, look at the lazy artist...

I'm working on it, I'm working on it...
EQ already jumped my ass for it (but not in the way he wishes).

[slave_one]

: )

Looking forward to it !!

[Pedro Amorim]

Yes yes, look at the lazy artist...

I'm working on it, I'm working on it...
EQ already jumped my ass for it (but not in the way he wishes).

that's not what he said

[Joshua Stubbles]

OMG A HANDLE

http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1482056/workshop2_001.jpg

[Chaosv49]

Nice... :)

[Pedro Amorim]

uh lá lá!

[RazorBladder]

It didn't happen!

[Joshua Stubbles]

Wee update


http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1482056/workshop2_002.jpg

[OBlastradiusO]

How are you modeling that? Is that plane or box modeling?

[Joshua Stubbles]

How are you modeling that? Is that plane or box modeling?

I do both, actually. Sometimes I'll just clone a face from one object, detach it and continue modeling the new shape.
Some things I'll start with a box to get more volume laid down, like with the handle. Just depends =\

[Joshua Stubbles]

Updating at a breakneck snails pace!


http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1482056/workshop2_003.jpg


VROOOOOOM! VROOOOOOOOM! BRRRRRRRRVVVVVVVVVVVVVVT!!!

[Pedro Amorim]

BIGGER IMAGES!

[Joshua Stubbles]

But I do that to hide my modeling flaws! :F

[EarthQuake]

Thats not what this is all about, Josh.

[Joshua Stubbles]

Thats not what this is all about, Josh.

Geez calm down, polynazi. :)

I don't post big images because it's annoying as f*ck when they break the format of the page. The autoresize adjusts after the image loads (slow), so it borks the whole damn screen, which bugs me. I'll post a slightly large image next time then.

[EarthQuake]

lol anal retentive

[Pedro Amorim]

lolol
as eq told, this is suposed to be a learning experience not only for you, but all other users :)
no obj share nor nothing :(
you guys suck dick

[Joshua Stubbles]

Haha, okay okay. Well when it's done I'll release the OBJ's. Geez. :)
I'll start posting bigger screenies as well.

[Joshua Stubbles]

I'm going to work on this the rest of the day, so hopefully things will get done, heh.

Update:

http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1482056/workshop2_004.jpg


Note that the chainsaw blade placement is incorrect - it is incomplete. Also the fore grip curve bar and back-side of the front hub (where the blade connects) is also placeholder and incomplete. Obviously, the entire top housing is missing as well :P
I'm getting some slight pinching in a few areas when subdivided, which I'm trying to fix.

Please give any other crits! :D

[Keen]

Nice one Josh! This is really coming along. Could you maybe post wires of this without the Sub D? I'm curious how you did some of those shapes.

Keep it up k?

[EarthQuake]

Yeah wires plz

[Joshua Stubbles]

Here ya go:

http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1482056/workshop2_005.jpg
http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1482056/workshop2_006.jpg

[OBlastradiusO]

Cool. How did you get the floating pieces to blend in with the angled structures so neatly? Like with the side grill of the saw.

[Joshua Stubbles]

Cool. How did you get the floating pieces to blend in with the angled structures so neatly? Like with the side grill of the saw.

Normally I use a script (found in the 3dsmax plugins thread) called AlignOBJtoFace, or something to that effect. It will stick the object onto whatever poly you select and you can just move your cursor around the face until it's placed how you like. Unfortunately it's not working for me as of late, so I've been placing these things by hand, which sucks.
If anyone else knows a quicker way, I'd love to hear it, as this drives me insane at times. :)

[OBlastradiusO]

Thanks Ill look around for that.

[Joshua Stubbles]

Other things came up today, didn't get much done. I'll be working on it through the night.
Started on the back side:

http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1482056/workshop2_007.jpg

[Keen]

Thanks for posting the wires. This is very clean, I dig.

[Seaseme]

Hi Vassago, great work.

Any chance you could post telling the process of using floating geometry? I have used it before, and it works fine in theory but I almost always have issues with baking AO maps - Any workarounds for that?

[Joshua Stubbles]

telling the process of using floating geometry? I have used it before, and it works fine in theory but I almost always have issues with baking AO maps - Any workarounds for that?

To be honest I really have done next to no "next gen" work. When I have actually baked AO with floating bits, I usually just hand-paint out the errors on the floaters. Someone with more experience might be able to chime in on this. I certainly don't know many tricks of the trade when it come to normal mapped assets.

[Seaseme]

Thanks for the response Vassago - I did some searching and found:

http://boards.polycount.net/showthread.php?t=63499&highlight=Floating+Geometry

Seems the best way is to bake two separate AO passes, one with the floaters turned on, one with them off. Then composite them in Photoshop. Then you can make a diffuse pass with the floaters and use it to select them, invert the selection and just delete the halo effect.

Pretty straight forward answer.

Keep it up with the workshop :) It's looking great.

[Joshua Stubbles]

Thanks man! My first real highpoly work in like..2yrs? Something like that. I'd rather have dental work done :D At least then I get drugs. :poly142:

Awesome linkage on the AO baking - thanks for that. So much more work when you move on this new generation of artwork, ugh. I miss the diffuse-only days! ;)

[Seaseme]

haha, I can imagine!

I'm not a huge hi-poly fan either. I know it has to be done, but I almost always try to shortcut my way around it.. The time is quickly approaching for me to just get down to business and start learning it.

I hear it's a lot easier once you just start getting into it.. as opposed to how overwhelming it might look just starting out. Plus, your work just looks so much better if you can show off a high-poly work also.

Luckily this forum has so many pro high-poly guys that it's really easy to be inspired. SO that's something. Anyhow, back to work! :)

[Joshua Stubbles]

Still working on the top housing, then the exhaust nozzle box in front. After that it's just small details like screws and a few indent panels.

Learning quite a bit making this. I've spent WAY WAY too much time modeling details that are completely f'n pointless and had to remodel things since I didn't block them out earlier. I need to get past that. I tend to model a piece then detail it right away, instead of getting all the volumes done. It's annoying as hell but I can't seem to break that habit =\

Anyways, here are a few updates.


http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1482056/workshop2_008.jpg
http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1482056/workshop2_009.jpg

[EarthQuake]

Learning quite a bit making this. I've spent WAY WAY too much time modeling details that are completely f'n pointless and had to remodel things since I didn't block them out earlier. I need to get past that. I tend to model a piece then detail it right away, instead of getting all the volumes done. It's annoying as hell but I can't seem to break that habit =



Yeah this is one of the hardest habits to break, its just so much fun! But it causes a lot of troubles.

[OBlastradiusO]

Looking good man. Trying to break that habit myself. That's why I didn't do the various knobs, bolts, switches, etc yet. My mistake was I didn't do the overall volume just piece by piece.