Terminator: Salvation

[Ryan Smith]

I just got back from the midnight showing. This movie is kick ass, and needs to be seen. The CGI in this movie is among the best I've ever seen. there were several parts during the movie where i thought i was playing fallout 3.

I won' say anything else.

Just go see it and experience the awe.

[HonkyPunch]

I'd imagine the CG is good, but It can't be anywhere NEAR as good as fallout 3's graphics.

[Ott]

Shadow = better.

[almighty_gir]

for serious though, being a 12a (in england, i guess that's like pg13 in the states?) is a huge copout/sellout to me. i almost boycotted it for that reason, as to me any film that gets that rating is due to be at least half understood by people of that age group. which means it won't be either as complex, or as violent (yes i liked the violence) as the first two.

having the name Terminator attached means it needs 3 things:
1. complex wtf paradoxies
2. lots of assplosions, assploding people, dead cops, dudes who get thrown head first into walls, dudes getting assassinated, old ladys getting shot in the face for being born "sarah connor".
3. arnold.

only one of those three looks to be happening here, and even that one can't be all that good due to the age rating.

any comment on that?

[|Buddy|]

I heard Arnold is there.

[Tulkamir]

... Hahaha, just got back from the midnight showing. The bulk of the movie was "alright" at best, but the ending... the ending was the worst fucking thing ever.

Two words ruin anything else good about this movie...

"Take mine"

Man, whoever was writing that shit needs to have some common sense slapped into em.

[|Buddy|]

I lost my interest after the trailer's:

"-What are you?
-Dunno"

If there's atleast a little bit of decent Arnold in i will go and watch it.

[Josh_Singh]

I really want this to be good gonna see it this Saturday with the Mrs.

[man_o_mule]

I'd imagine the CG is good, but It can't be anywhere NEAR as good as fallout 3's graphics.


the sarcasm....it hurts

[almighty_gir]

I lost my interest after the trailer's:

"-What are you?
-Dunno"

If there's atleast a little bit of decent Arnold in i will go and watch it.

arnold is played by another austrian, and his lines are dubbed over afterward. guess trying to make him look young?

meh. going with my girlfriend soon, but not hoping for a lot.

[ArtsyFartsy]

Will probably go watch it the weekend after. Can't stand the crowds at openings.

PLEASE NO SPOILERS!!

As much as I like Christian Bale, in a battle of Arnold vs. Bale, it's a Arnold hands down.

[skankerzero]

I liked it...

but something about it doesn't sit well with me... I'll have to think about it.

Maybe the whole thing felt rushed and a bit... empty?

[ericdigital]

One of the things I noticed in the trailer was how desaturated and kinda dry the explosions looked. I guess it fits the style but it looks kind of odd.

[|Buddy|]

arnold is played by another austrian, and his lines are dubbed over afterward. guess trying to make him look young?

meh. going with my girlfriend soon, but not hoping for a lot.

Wasn't he supposed to be CG'ed in?

[skankerzero]

I was thinking about it.
If I think of this movie as part of a whole, I like it better, but alone, not very much. It was missing some depth in the character development, but perhaps that's just because the characters have already been built up in the past movies.

[Mike_Carlyle]

i saw the midnight showing last nite, and i thought it was awesome, i thought there was gonna be alittle more timeline / storyline stuff.. but still what was giving i thought was awesome... sure the whole marcus thing, and how that ended was alittle wierd at best... but for trying throw another story angle in there beside what was already set in stone from the previous films / mythology, i can respect the attempt... over all, summer block buster.. awesome to see terminator alive and well, and i thought the arnold stuff was sweet.. loved the feel and environments / mood... cant wait for the other 2 following films...

[Spug]

We had to make a day of it at Carbine, they bought us all tickets to go see it.

Great movie...till the end. sigh.

[Jeremy Lindstrom]

Yeah, agreed the 'twist' ending with the irony blah blah etc felt really tacked on. I thoroughly enjoyed it as a "Terminator" movie though, it even passed the wife's high standards for all things terminator... even down to John Conners scars.. lol

Yeah Arnold's CG face was pretty well done.. he had no lines in the movie we saw..


I liked it much better then I liked Star Trek, Star Trek felt it was a lot weaker in that it felt emptier...to me..imho...

All in all, I'd see it again with no hesitations. Well worth the price of admission, I think McG Terminators were tons more aggressive and scarier then the previous incarnations. If you set it up against the previous movies, I don't think you'll be let down.

[PixelMasher]

just saw it. overall pretty cool, the desaturated, dry look was pretty cool, and the explosions and action were pretty dope. I agree with the empty feeling there was little character development in both conner or marcus.

bales acting felt a little forced at times, but not too bad. I really liked the post judgement day setting, in day for once too which was a nice change from the cameronesque blue tinted night scenes from the 1st 2. also the dynamici of few vs many was a bit of a change from the hunter hunted style of the 1st 3 films, like skanker said something about it left me feeling...........weird. I liked it but something about it was just strange.

some things felt a little too convenient or tacked on but overall it was a cool action film. the ending was kinda lame like every review \ you dudes said although im sure most of you guys know why if not just do a little digging online.

[Striff]

I didn't like it much. This is coming from a huge terminator fan.

The dialogue was terrible. It almost seemed like George Lucas wrote this movie.

It never seemed like there was a true "climax" to me in this movie. The whole blowing up the Skynet facility by blowing up those tiny little things of nuclear power was just freaking STUPID.

What the HELL was the point of having the t-800 arnold in it? He just freaking randomly showed out of nowhere. It just seemed like McG wanted to have him in there as an homage to the originals...and I thought it failed miserably.

Christian Bale sucks. I seriously can't stand his voice anymore. I used to like the guy, but I can't take his acting anymore. Sam Worthington was amazing.

I was let down by how Skynet and how Earth after judgment day was portrayed. It didn't seem "dark enough" if you know what I mean. T1 and T2 portrayed it much differently. I guess what I am trying to say was Skynet didn't seem so damn scary anymore =(

[moose]

John Connor still listens to Guns N Roses!!

[Ferg]

saw it last night, movie was fucking terrible. Except the motorcycle bots, those were cool.

[Luxury]

I liked it a lot more than I thought I would. Like Dekard, I liked it more than Star Trek. I was able to suspend my disbelief during this one unlike any of Star Trek. The end 1/4 was pretty lame and was even a bit boring, but I still liked it.

Of the 7 of us that went last night, only 2 of us liked it.

One thing that I recently realized before seeing this (and one of the main reasons I DID see it), is that I really like bleak/serious movies. I can't stand the big action movie interspersed with comedic lines and gags every few minutes. It just ruins the suspense and atmosphere. Sad thing is that is the trend all of these movies are now, so it's refreshing to see a movie that doesn't resort to this (well, not much).

[woogity]

Ilm did a freakin awesome job, but i think on the whole the writing and dialogue was horrendous. Props to Kyle Reese tho whose rediculous real name escapes me at the moment.

-Woog

[Jeremy Lindstrom]

buncha haters.

[Shogun3d]

I thought the movie was awesome.

[EricV]

it was no terminator 2 but it was alright. Didnt really have much up n down pacing like T2, this was just pure non stop action. The Arnie terminator made me laugh

[Mcejn]

Saw it, loved it. Definitely something to go see if you get the chance or have the time. I've read all the criticism and people just need to learn to enjoy things!

[aesir]

yup critics were off on this one, definitely a good movie. Quickly forgotten no doubt, but on par with something like transformers.

[oXYnary]

aesir, you realize by saying that, you have just made that movie that much worse with that comparison to more than a few here. ;)

[Tumerboy]

yup critics were off on this one, definitely a good movie. Quickly forgotten no doubt, but on par with something like transformers.

wow, what an oxymoron! "It's Great! Just like Transformers!"

[dejawolf]

salivation?

[aesir]

pfft, come on guys. I didn't say it was great. I said it was good. Transformers was a good action flick too regardless of the mounds of annoying bullshit.

[Paul Pepera]

I don't remember the last time I looked at my watch half-way through a movie anxious for it to end.

I dunno, I guess CGI doesn't excite me much anymore. Everything in this movie was so cliché; the dialogue, the characters, the plot twists, it was so predicable. Yea the effects were cool, but they distracted from the movie, not complemented it. How come I still get WOWed by the T-1000 effects in T2 yet the effects in T4 put me to sleep. While T4 wasn't as bad as T3, it still was pretty horrible.

The Arnold cameo was awesome btw, wouldn't mind seeing that again. The designs of the motorbike robots and Hunter-Killers were also really nice.

[I_luv_Pixels]

raped in the face..........o so empty

[Tulkamir]

pfft, come on guys. I didn't say it was great. I said it was good. Transformers was a good action flick too regardless of the mounds of annoying bullshit.
Yeah, but from a critical point of view Transformers was heads and tails better than T4. Seriously, Transformers was able to make mostly coherent and logical sense, and it followed it's own rules. It wasn't great by means of deep plot or anything, but it was atleast solid.

T4 was not. The logical falacies were huge, it went against it's own world at times, it did a terrible job of hiding obvious plot devices meant to tug at heart strings, etc...

Honestly, it was pretty terrible. It's been a while since I've actually felt embarassed while watching a movie because the writing is so bad. The end of T4 was that bad. :P

[NyneDown]

Maaan...what's up with all the hate on Transformers?!? ;)

I actually liked this movie, along with Transformers. I guess my standards are just that low :P

[Josh_Singh]

This Movie Kicked ass. It didn't change my life, it just kicked ass and was fun to watch. LIKE THESE TYPE OF MOVIES ARE SUPPOSED TO DO.
Not only that, but it got my imagination going, which is always a huge plus.
All you haters need to stop putting old shit on such a high pedestal. New shit is cool too. I bet you'll like this and Transformers when it's 20 years old.

I loved the parts with Marcus and Kyle Reese. I was much more engrossed with their struggle. Christian Bale was convincing for his part, and I dug how he portrayed John Connor.
But The concept behind the Character of Marcus was Awesome.
I hope they make two more and then finish the story line.....

....Then they can make Aliens Vs. Predator Vs. Terminator.

[Sage]

I enjoyed this movie for the most part, at leas it was way better than T3 and way better than Transformers. not a great movie, but then after t3 i knew this wasn't going to be anything good.

Wait did I just say I thought it sucked. LOL Better than t3 and transformers, that's my story and I'm sticking to it! How can I say that, no freaking shaky cam bs that didn't let me see the transformers fight, I can't wait for the second one to come, because it can't be worse than the first one right! Right....

Then they can make Aliens Vs. Predator Vs. Terminator... Josh that be hott!!! I hope the make AVP3 maybe in the third attempt they can figure out how to make it not suck!

[I_luv_Pixels]

yeah the movie was a face rape! of awesomeness !!!! just felt empty at the end......but there will be more im sure :)

[Richard Kain]

Saw it on Friday. The plot of this movie was disappointing. I would have said that it was "very" disappointing, but I haven't expected much from the Terminator plot lines since the second film. By the end of T2, the writers had essentially worked their way into a logical fallacy. It is theoretically impossible to alter the future if the main character's existence depends on a future event. They spent the entire third film correcting this lapse in logic. And unfortunately, the fourth film also focused on this. I think it would have been much more intriguing if they focused more on exploring the Marcus character, and what really defines humanity.

Instead they attempted to portray a machine as being far too clever than it has any right being. I have trouble believing that humanity can create an artificial intelligence that can match us in sheer bastardry.

I did love the graphics, especially whenever you got to see the Terminators in action. I don't get people saying that those things were less intimidating because there were more of them. I thought they managed to capture the menace of bloody-minded machinery quite well.

[ericdigital]

I have to say I really thought it was terrible. Sure the cg and explosions were nice but there was no story, nothing was explained and I just felt bored the whole time ever though there was non stop explosions. I thought star trek was a much better film.

[Thefirston]

have you seen the new trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgPmH30OrQM

[almighty_gir]

awesome.....

[Stubbs]

T4 was cool and worth seeing, but I agree that it felt empty and the lack of character development definitely hurt it. It was better than 3 but didn't hold a candle to T2, although expecting it to be comparable to 2 is a rather high expectation. Christian Bale makes a good John Connor in some ways but at the same time throughout T4 he was very boring and very predictable, in T2 and even in T3 at least he had some personality, in this one not so much.

In my opinion the Terminator series should have stayed under James Cameron's control. There should have only been a sequel after T2 if he wanted to make it. There is a very noticeable difference in quality and atmosphere between Cameron's work and everything that came after it. Even the Terminator 3-D attraction at Universal Studios which was made by Cameron applies to this. Sure there were some cheesy parts and dated 3-D but it actually seemed relevant and flowed with Cameron's earlier work on the series. T3 and T4 don't flow and really don't seem all that necessary or relevant to me. I personally feel that Cameron's movies were made for artistic reasons beyond just making money and appealing to a fan base who are willing to pay that money, whereas T3 and T4 exist really just because people wanted to cash in.

[NyneDown]

hahaha....that new trailer is hilarious.

"...and most of all, eating all of our sand."

[00Zero]

lol, fallout 3 was a great game, but if this movie looks anything like it, i refuse to watch it.

[ericdigital]

I would say personality, dialogue, and facial expressions are up to extremely high standard fallout 3 sets for the characters in the universe.


/s

[Kaskad]

I thought it was a good movie. Except for the plot. If anyone was honestly surprised at any point by the story or dialogue, they probably slept through the part preceding it.

Also, if anything ever deserved to become a meme, it's "Take mine. Everyone deserves a second chance."

[pior]

I thought it was a good movie. Except for the plot.

What! Haha.

[Kaskad]

What! Haha.
Yeah... that was the intended reaction :D

[Tulkamir]

Also, if anything ever deserved to become a meme, it's "Take mine. Everyone deserves a second chance."

Hahaha, glad I'm not the only one who thought that was the craziest goddamn quote. I agree, that is totally begging for a meme.

And the Transforminators trailer was awesome!

[Tumerboy]

I agree with what's been said, but what I found to be truly disappointing, was how LITTLE they took from the lore. The previous movies (T1+2) have done so much to set up the future, and they pretty much discarded all of it.

In the first movie, Reese talks about the first Terminators having rubber skin, and being easy to spot. Then they upgraded to the Arnold version. And that the resistance used Dogs to sniff out the terminators. But Skynet has this "prototype" which shows human emotions, and can obviously blend in with humans FAR better than the Arnold version. I was hoping for the more robotic Arnold version (even if it was a different person) to be shown more.

We've also seen a few scenes in the previous movies, showing LOTS of robots driving/hovering/walking over mounds of human bones. They did a couple of little homages to that (T-600 stepping on a skull) but not enough imo. I was also pretty disappointed that Reese is a child in this movie. He's obviously 30 something when he gets sent back to the past, and I thought in the first movie he says John Connor sends him back. I guess that's all what T5 is going to be. . . ugh.

[Josh_Singh]

Yeah TumerBoy, This is like the Beginning of the War. Connor isn't even the real leader of the resistance yet. Also they did show the First terminators with the rubber skin, It was always just melted off.
Also,
But Skynet has this "prototype" which shows human emotions, and can obviously blend in with humans FAR better than the Arnold version

To me it seemed as though Marcus was a failed experiment. He was Human First with a human brain and heart, rather than a t-800 wrapped in human flesh. So Marcus was technically a Cyborg, rather than a Full Fledged Terminator. He even had the free will to rip out his own goddamn Chip out of his head. So yeah Failed experiment for Skynet.

[Jeremy Lindstrom]

marcus was also a 'one off'

[JacqueChoi]

Haven't seen it yet, but he's creating a stupid paradox.

If John dosen't send back Reese, will Skynet exist?

:/

No arm or chip sticking out of a hydraulic press for Cyberdine to study.

[Tumerboy]

fair enough Josh, I guess I'm just sad that this movie was in between the two movies I WANT to see, 1) John Connor turning from punk kid into badass leader (at this point he's not in total charge, but he's world famous and obviously already leads a lot of people.) and 2) 2029 with piles of skulls, lasers, etc.

Jox. It's not about Reese going back. Reese was sent back as a response to Skynet sending the T-800 back. If reese DOESN'T go back, the T-800 is still there, and I'm sure would eventually end up in Cyberdine's hands.

[EricV]

T4 was cool and worth seeing, but I agree that it felt empty and the lack of character development definitely hurt it. It was better than 3 but didn't hold a candle to T2, although expecting it to be comparable to 2 is a rather high expectation. Christian Bale makes a good John Connor in some ways but at the same time throughout T4 he was very boring and very predictable, in T2 and even in T3 at least he had some personality, in this one not so much.

In my opinion the Terminator series should have stayed under James Cameron's control. There should have only been a sequel after T2 if he wanted to make it. There is a very noticeable difference in quality and atmosphere between Cameron's work and everything that came after it. Even the Terminator 3-D attraction at Universal Studios which was made by Cameron applies to this. Sure there were some cheesy parts and dated 3-D but it actually seemed relevant and flowed with Cameron's earlier work on the series. T3 and T4 don't flow and really don't seem all that necessary or relevant to me. I personally feel that Cameron's movies were made for artistic reasons beyond just making money and appealing to a fan base who are willing to pay that money, whereas T3 and T4 exist really just because people wanted to cash in.

Pretty much agree with all your points here. Cameron set the bar so high, and his vision, his interpretation, whatever you want to call it IS terminator. Anything else just pales into comparison to me.

Also, Bale is cool n everything but seriously....there can only be one John Conner

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/terminator/images/9/99/MichaelEdwards004.jpg

[clee101]

I just saw the movie. Have to at least say that it was better than T3. I agree with alot of what is being said here. I miss the dark, gritty feel and environment of the future portrayed by James Cameron in T1 and T2. Where were those dogs that sniff out the terminators? And where is that huge tank looking robot thing? I wish they showed more of the war-torn cities instead of empty deserts.

I did like the CG Anorld. They did a great job on the model, making him look real and exactly like him from T1. Wish they showed Conner fighting him more at the end..

[dejawolf]

terminator knows the truth. you're all assholes, and deserve to die.
hail terminator!

[Kaskad]

Wish they showed Conner fighting him more at the end..
Speaking of which, Arnold makes it through like four direct grenade impacts, having lava poured on him, being encased in obsidian, and getting shot in the face repeatedly. But Marcus can take some rebar and just rip his head off?

[shotgun]

i havent seen this yet --- but terminator 2 is one of my all time favs (bike shotgun scene = winz)

however!!!

chex0rz this outz! [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000116/

james cameron baby
terminator 5
can this be true?!?!

[Wahlgren]

Probably not shotgun. :(

[Tumerboy]

Yes they're making T5, but I'm pretty sure McG is directing again. Cameron is probably just Exec Producer or something.

[clee101]

Yes they're making T5, but I'm pretty sure McG is directing again. Cameron is probably just Exec Producer or something.

Booooo.....

[moose]

oh man, i bet in the next one, they befriend and reprogram arnold! and then send him back in time! but during that, they meet the T1000!!!! and then HE goes back in time. After the mysterious plot twist with the sexy female soldier who turns out to be a big-eyed crazy terminator, SHE goes back in time! THEN .. hrm TIME PARADOX

[Tumerboy]

nonsense, before any of that, he has to send Reese back in time after discovering that Skynet has already sent (evil) Arnold back.

[oXYnary]

I had more fun with screamers.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114367/

Good movie if you haven't seen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLLwtcOB6i8

It just wasn't dark enough. The cheaped out on the budget so shot in the desert versus sound stage where they could create the dark cities (hello the earth would be in twilight or darkness because of all the nukes).


The little girl? Annoying "humanity". If they really wanted to say something. They should have made her a prototype. In fact I kept expecting her to turn. She was so silent like a terminator.

[Richard Kain]

It is largely pointless to complain about time paradoxes regarding the Terminator series. The very first Terminator movie set up a glaring paradox in John Conners very existence. The second movie, though obviously awesome, worsened the paradox by having the main characters attempt to change a future that had to be. (if they had succeeded in preventing the war, John Conner would have ceased to be) The third movie corrected the error in logic from the second movie, by moving the war forward despite the characters' attempts to thwart it in the past.

And this latest movie is just riddled with glaring plot holes.

[oXYnary]

Actually no, it depends on how you see time paradoxes. If time is set with one timeline only, then yes, T3 had to happen. If timelines can split into separate existences then T2 could exist. I believe Cameron believed in the second, and further more meant for T2 to end the series on a hopeful note.

[Entity]

Don't forget that the Skynet from T1 is different from the Skynet of T2 and T3, therefore explaining the differences in future terminator tech.

[Andreas]

I really enjoyed it, although I felt act 2 was boring and I was dying for the film to end by the end of it. I also started thinking about Aliens-vs-Predators-Terminators :D

One thing though. Why was Connor surprised at Terminators encased in skin? Didn't he meet the arnie terminator when he was a kid?

[mikezoo]

man this movie was a let down. It had so much going for it.:poly127:
I think w/ the terminator movies you gotta just forget the logical theories behind time and space, and just go with it.

[Shinsen]

i really liked the movie, but its true that now that I think about it, I beleive there was somehow a lack of content or just not enough character developpement.

Still, I really enjoyed it and I recommend it :thumbup:

[jrs100000]

If cyborg dude had just sacrificed himself by staying behind to hold off the T-800 while the factory was blowing up the movie would have been watchable. We all knew he to do the dramatic giving his life up for Connor bit, but did they have to do it in such a stupid stupid way?

And one other thing. Why the hell did the humans think that this super advanced computer/robot god would not be capable of monitoring their unencrypted radio broadcasts that reveal all of their secret attack plans and were somehow powerful enough to travel clear around the planet? And if Skynet already had the technology to perfectly replicate any voice why didnt it get on the radio itself and order the resistance around by pretending to be John Connor?

[dfacto]

And one other thing. Why the hell did the humans think that this super advanced computer/robot god would not be capable of monitoring their unencrypted radio broadcasts that reveal all of their secret attack plans and were somehow powerful enough to travel clear around the planet? And if Skynet already had the technology to perfectly replicate any voice why didnt it get on the radio itself and order the resistance around by pretending to be John Connor?

Why did they send a Terminator back in time twice to kill people that wouldn't even affect the same timeline, but spawn a alternate one? Is skynet that interested in parallel dimensional development, or is the world of Terminator like Back to the Future where John Connor would just fade out as he was playing guitar?

Eh.

Good movie, nowhere near as good as T2, but way better than T3. I'd say it's a good continuation of the franchise.

Except the giant mansnatcher robot, that was stupid. Bike-terminators on the other hand were sweet.

[greenj2]

Saw it a week or so ago. Mediocre watered down family-friendly action movie, despite the nice action sequences it doesn't even stand close to T1 and T2...I thought the story in particular was a huge disappointment.

A very interesting read about the movie, in particular, changes made to the story during production:

http://chud.com/articles/articles/19577/1/EXCLUSIVE-WHAT-WENT-WRONG-WITH-TERMINATOR-SALVATION/Page1.html

[Parnell]

Just saw it.
I enjoyed it...i just chose to not think about T3 or the issues with the story. The very very ending was pretty lame IMO. However, I'm still hoping to see a cool blue tinted Terminator future. So far T3 and T4 were set more in daylight and it just doesn't look/feel as awesome. Although I did like the T4 Mad Max type vibe in the beginning.
B

[Target_Renegade]

Saw this last week, I enjoyed it. They should have had a large piece at the beginning showing when Skynet was taking over the world/sending nukes out. Maybe they're saving it for the next one?

[almighty_gir]

so anyway, after much deliberation, i decided to download rather than go to the cinema. i don't want to feel like i've wasted my money on it (sue me bitches).

here's the thing:
my girlfriends youngest son, is 7. and he's recently watched T2. he expressed an interest in explodey things, so we let him watch it. sure, we covered up his eyes for him when the T1000 impersonates johns foster mother and stabs the dad in the face. and when he impersonates the security guard and stabs him in the eye. but for the most part, he was happy to watch it.

more than that, he actually formed an emotional bond with Arnie as the terminator. to the point where he fucking cried when the T1000 was beating the crap out of him at the end. we'd just managed to settle him down when he reactivated, and then he blubbed again when he went into the iron pool.

we're very open with the kids here, and we said if he didn't want to watch, just tell us. but he wanted to, he loved it, he then asked me to get my entire Arnie collection out... i chose "family friendly" ones, like Last Action Hero. which he again, loved.

then we watched T3... his response was "that film was okay".
and then, T4... "that wasn't very good..."

haha. you can't beat the honesty of a child :D