View Full Version : Palin interview, better than a nip slip
Rob Galanakis
09-25-2008, 08:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hELjmWfVBU
Partisanship aside... I am speechless. I wish there were a Daily Show/Colbert Report tomorrow...
EarthQuake
09-25-2008, 08:52 PM
wowwwwwwwww
dis bitch be crazy
Jackablade
09-25-2008, 08:57 PM
Good guys and bad guys? Really? Surely people don't take this woman seriously. Right?
aesir
09-25-2008, 09:01 PM
basically,
she's a soccer mom.
WE ARE ELECTING A FUCKING SOCCER MOM!
ElysiumGX
09-25-2008, 09:03 PM
Kill the bad guys! And then brush your teeth.
JDinges
09-25-2008, 09:05 PM
Sigh.........
She honestly truely scares me, I fear for everyone if those two dumbasses get elected.
TomDunne
09-25-2008, 09:42 PM
basically,
she's a soccer mom.
WE ARE ELECTING A FUCKING SOCCER MOM!
Dude, that's totally not cool the way you're misrepresenting her.
She's a hockey mom. Duh. :P
Thegodzero
09-25-2008, 10:36 PM
She's like an even less intelligent bush but with tits... Her face even looks a bit like his, hmm maybe its the same facial expressions...
lol the insistence on spreading democracy throughout the world, because, as she says, that's what EVERYONE WANTS, sounds a little Christian-missionary to me. It's like, you will accept go--er America cause if not you're going to hel--er, you're going to be in a bad place!!
It's like, omg, America, you're not the world's nannies. Leave some of these countries alone!
Tulkamir
09-25-2008, 11:06 PM
... Watched a quarter of the interview... I dunno if I can watch the rest. Honestly, this is like a show where you get so embarassed for the characters you have to look away... only instead of a character it's a real person. And she could quite likely be president.
Fuck, our world is screwed.
konstruct
09-25-2008, 11:24 PM
HOLY SHIT- is this real? damn, if this video gets widely circulated, they may as well throw the election. ... I actually kinda bummed out cause I was looking forward to the debates.
hobodactyl
09-25-2008, 11:41 PM
How is this woman seriously being considered for the vice presidency? Not to mention McCain's total switch on half his views from 2000. I'm having aneurysms almost daily :(
Tulkamir
09-25-2008, 11:49 PM
Partisanship aside... I am speechless. I wish there were a Daily Show/Colbert Report tomorrow...
Holy fucking hell... watched the rest. Who needs Stewart or Colbert, she does their job for them. I don't know whether to laugh, be angry, be frightened, be scornful, or what. This is fucking terrible.
skankerzero
09-26-2008, 12:41 AM
oh man...
I hate hearing her talk...
Mcain and Palin just scream 'scapegoat' to me for some reason. It's like the Republicans don't want to win this one so they can wash their hands of this war and our current economical situation.
nkoste
09-26-2008, 03:28 AM
Beacon of light... holy crap!
perna
09-26-2008, 03:44 AM
US politics have gone from being a joke to a complete piss take.
Is that what "everyone wants" ?
Toast
09-26-2008, 04:03 AM
Listening to her answer those questions, she sounds quite out of her depth.
killingpeople
09-26-2008, 04:29 AM
i don't like these questions, off with your head! bad guys must not prevail their rein of terror, second holocaust, such as, second guess, flip mode, even-though-we're-making-money, gimmie-some-mo
Mark Dygert
09-26-2008, 04:44 AM
basically,
she's a soccer mom.
WE ARE ELECTING A FUCKING SOCCER MOM!
No, no we're not.
I liked all the pauses and interruptions as she waited for her little ear buddy to catch up.
Bush does the same thing, I'm surprised they don't put their hand up to their ear and say "say that again". If she's not wearing a reciever then she's horrible at memorizing her lines.
Seriously they're looking for a new puppet and they found her, good thing she's only running for VP... oh wait they hate McCain, I hope he has a food taster on hand at every meal. =P
PixelGoat
09-26-2008, 04:52 AM
That was um...scary. Please do me a favor and elect Obama, thanks.
hyrumark
09-26-2008, 06:10 AM
Oh my, that was excruciating to watch...it reminded me of those beauty pageants where they ask the serious questions, and the girl just tries her hardest to sound smart, but ends up saying nothing at all. And that whole part about Russia, Katie Couric looked like she could hardly believe what was coming out of her mouth!
I'll bet Joe Biden is just foaming at the mouth to have a debate with this woman.
ElysiumGX
09-26-2008, 06:43 AM
From the email hacking thread:
Palin is quite clear in her beliefs, and that is a good thing--a breath of fresh air. ... Feel free to provide the quotes from Palin that make you most worried, perhaps I missed them, as this thread hasn't exactly stayed on topic.
Awaiting your comments Jonathan.
That was um...scary. Please do me a favor and elect Obama, thanks.
We're trying. See above.
Josh_Singh
09-26-2008, 06:48 AM
wow that was really hard to watch. Damn, I feel bad for her. I do like John Mcain as a dude, but she is waay out of her league.
Obama and Biden ftw. At least they can articulate their thoughts.
JO420
09-26-2008, 06:55 AM
Christ that was horrendous. I can see why the McCain campaign shielded her from reporters.
Justin Meisse
09-26-2008, 07:06 AM
Hah! elitist yuppy democrats own passports, only true Americans get one when their job requires international travel!
Paul Pepera
09-26-2008, 07:09 AM
Wow.
JO420
09-26-2008, 07:16 AM
Hah! elitist yuppy democrats own passports, only true Americans get one when their job requires international travel!
Your kidding right?
Justin Meisse
09-26-2008, 07:18 AM
what do you think, commie!?
yes I am, polycount won't let me post in all caps which totally ruins the impact of my posts
JO420
09-26-2008, 07:20 AM
what do you think, commie!?
yes I am, polycount won't let me post in all caps which totally ruins the impact of my posts
Haha ok.
Justin Meisse
09-26-2008, 07:24 AM
I wasn't kidding about the commie remark
Jeremy Wright
09-26-2008, 07:28 AM
That was certainly not better than a nip-slip.
Sectaurs
09-26-2008, 07:59 AM
I don't have a passport.
I'm a 'MERICAN!
doc rob
09-26-2008, 07:59 AM
http://brokentoys.org/2008/09/25/grrr/
Jackablade
09-26-2008, 08:15 AM
He's clearly naive. They could well have WMDs in those yurts.
AstroZombie
09-26-2008, 08:32 AM
I'm gonna have to agree with Matt Damon's assessment of Sarah Palin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6urw_PWHYk).
Rick Stirling
09-26-2008, 08:47 AM
http://brokentoys.org/2008/09/25/grrr/
:)
Kevin Johnstone
09-26-2008, 08:53 AM
Matt Damon makes a poor assessment that doesn't really clarify his point that he's concerned
about someone who thinks dinosaur bones were buried in the earth to test her faith having
the necessary grounding in reality that the nation could rely upon her in a crisis.
Likewise it sounded like he wanted to make the point that having another person who
could be president that's never travelled outside of america, in charge of (amoungst other
things) the nations foreign policy.
Or more to the point, that someone would be so breathtakingly uninformed in the way of
the world that they wouldn't consider it too much of a reaching statement to say that
being 4000 miles away from the wastelands of russia magically grants a person experience
in foreign matters.
So no, I doubt Matt Damon is doing much to contradict the worth of Palin, he's just adding
mud to the water I think, but who really cares what a person whose most inspiring comments
come from cinema, when written by another, thinks?
Every time an actor speaks out against a politician they just further that politicians cause!
Cojax
09-26-2008, 09:37 AM
I wasn't kidding about the commie remark
pahahaha.
This election is terrible...that is all.
Mark Dygert
09-26-2008, 09:45 AM
Matt Damon makes a poor assessment that doesn't really clarify his point that he's concerned
about someone who thinks dinosaur bones were buried in the earth to test her faith having
the necessary grounding in reality that the nation could rely upon her in a crisis.
Likewise it sounded like he wanted to make the point that having another person who
could be president that's never travelled outside of america, in charge of (amoungst other
things) the nations foreign policy.
Or more to the point, that someone would be so breathtakingly uninformed in the way of
the world that they wouldn't consider it too much of a reaching statement to say that
being 4000 miles away from the wastelands of russia magically grants a person experience
in foreign matters.
So no, I doubt Matt Damon is doing much to contradict the worth of Palin, he's just adding
mud to the water I think, but who really cares what a person whose most inspiring comments
come from cinema, when written by another, thinks?
Every time an actor speaks out against a politician they just further that politicians cause!
Agreed, a bobble head commenting on a bobble head, won't give weight to the statements made. But I think he brings up two other good points, she's only been the Mayor of a very small (very crime ridden) town and Governor of a backwater do-nothing state for 2 years. I'm not sure we have the time to really get to know her on a national level and the McCain campaign is making sure her events are as scripted as possible.
McCain's #1 knife in Obama's side (inexperience) was removed the day he announced Palin as his running mate. I like McCain and I hope he stays in the senate for a long time. But I don't like him enough to forgive the last 8 years, and trust his party with 4 more.
Josh_Singh
09-26-2008, 09:49 AM
McCain's #1 knife in Obama's side (inexperience) was removed the day he announced Palin as his running mate. I like McCain and I hope he stays in the senate for a long time. But I don't like him enough to forgive the last 8 years, and trust his party with 4 more.
Ditto!
killingpeople
09-26-2008, 09:53 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z75QSExE0jU&NR=1
i have a headache
PixelGoat
09-26-2008, 10:03 AM
I think im gonna cry :(
Thegodzero
09-26-2008, 10:38 AM
hahaha
You can see him in his head yelling "just fucking say yes or no! Thats all i'm asking for, why wont you just say yes or no!?"
she is up there with
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww
HAHA tgz, thats exactly what I thought of when I saw her interview.
Meh. We Americans don't need passports. We just hop in our F-16s and tanks and roll right over the border. I mean, what the fuck are you foreigners going to do about that? No, our Abrams tanks do not need to be stamped by your border agent, thank you.
Seriously, I wasn't a huge McCain fan but I at least considered the man somewhat respectable. I now seriously question any of his judgement after choosing this air headed zealot as a running mate.
arrangemonk
09-26-2008, 12:09 PM
mccain will be elected and die so palin will be president and the us will go down
well it was a lot of fun with you guys but i guess thats it :D
MAUL0r
09-26-2008, 01:24 PM
so like... bad guys are bad? and um... good guys are... good? thanks for clearing that up!
Joseph Silverman
09-26-2008, 01:31 PM
mccain will be elected and die so palin will be president and the us will go down
well it was a lot of fun with you guys but i guess thats it :D
You're right, because as history has shown, every time a country has a bad leader for 4-8 years it immediately collapses.
ah, i'm posting way too much sarcasm today, what i'm getting at is look at any old monarchy. Awful leadership for as long as 40 years somtimes, and they whethered just fine. Also keep in mind that we aren't governed totally -- or even mostly -- by the president alone. If america falls as a power it will be because of changes in times, military failure, or economic failure -- not one or two president's blunders.
Seriously, way too much end of the world talk over one dumb woman. What has bush really done to harm anything, on his own? Sped the decline of the economy very slightly, and half bungled half innovated on the iraq war? I can't imagine a politically hamstrung palin surrounded by mccain's cabinet would do even that much damage.
AstroZombie
09-26-2008, 01:37 PM
Matt Damon makes a poor assessment that doesn't really clarify his point that he's concerned
about someone who thinks dinosaur bones were buried in the earth to test her faith having
the necessary grounding in reality that the nation could rely upon her in a crisis.
Likewise it sounded like he wanted to make the point that having another person who
could be president that's never travelled outside of america, in charge of (amoungst other
things) the nations foreign policy.
Or more to the point, that someone would be so breathtakingly uninformed in the way of
the world that they wouldn't consider it too much of a reaching statement to say that
being 4000 miles away from the wastelands of russia magically grants a person experience
in foreign matters.
So no, I doubt Matt Damon is doing much to contradict the worth of Palin, he's just adding
mud to the water I think, but who really cares what a person whose most inspiring comments
come from cinema, when written by another, thinks?
Every time an actor speaks out against a politician they just further that politicians cause!
Fair enough, but I still stand by the point made that the mere thought that Sarah Palin could become our nation's president sounds like a scenario out of a bad Disney movie and is, at best, frightening.
fattkid
09-26-2008, 01:47 PM
I gotta hand it to the rulers of this country, Palin was, actually, a pretty wise choice. For them, that is. Why? Not because she is a qualified candidate, but because she is so unqualified.
It is important for the ruling elites of this nation that the citizens of this country are ignorant, distracted, overwhelmed, and clueless. And this is a perfect distraction. That way, instead of talking about important topics that really matter, like the gutting of the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights, (Patriot Acts 1 & 2, Military Commissions Act, John Warner Defense Act, NSPD 51, Protect America Act, etc.), domestic deployments of the United States Military (http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/), the fact that the mortgage collapse was basically intentional (http://www.gregpalast.com/elliot-spitzer-gets-nailed - interesting to learn the real motives behind the take down of NY Mayor Spitzer, huh?"), the fact our leader is a war criminal and a traitor, and there's nothing we can do about it, the occupation of the Middle East, (as well as most other nations on this planet in some form or another), and the fact we are probably gonna get screwed by this impending bailout., were concerning ourselves with this joke of a candidate; the differences between a hockey mom and a soccer mom, what kind of animal wears what kind of lipstick, and who said it first, etc.
A truly sad state of affairs indeed........
Parnell
09-26-2008, 02:03 PM
NWO
Get ready!!
B
Jonathan
09-26-2008, 02:09 PM
From the email hacking thread:
Awaiting your comments Jonathan.
We're trying. See above.
Would you rather Mrs. Palin act pedantic and constantly not answer questions like Mr. Obama? What has he done, what makes him qualified to be President?
I like neither option for President, but I'd much rather have McCain in office than just-as-inexperienced-as-Palin Barack Hussein Obama.
What has Obama accomplished? Speechless!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kyk0fjtdHdI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gexyfVpFMU&feature=related
Further shows his inexperience, something he admitted in 2004 would prevent him from running for President in 2008, until his political friends convinced him otherwise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdkiWxXv5Ng&feature=related
EarthQuake
09-26-2008, 02:20 PM
Theres a big difference between being unexperienced, and being a blatant fucking moron.
JDinges
09-26-2008, 02:22 PM
theres a big difference between being unexperienced, and being a blatant fucking moron.
qft.
Jonathan
09-26-2008, 02:35 PM
Theres a big difference between being unexperienced, and being a blatant fucking moron.
I love the effort you put into your responses.
"Can we ask?"
(or maybe we should do the "good" thing and stick our heads in the ground, while Obama uses Monopoly money to further socialist ideas)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7Yd80tXs_4&NR=1
TomDunne
09-26-2008, 02:47 PM
Would you rather Mrs. Palin act pedantic and constantly not answer questions like Mr. Obama? What has he done, what makes him qualified to be President?
Ahhh, but Obama is a different topic! We can tear him up in another thread if you like, but for now, I think any defense of Palin should happen independent of who her opponents are.
[/QUOTE]I like neither option for President, but I'd much rather have McCain in office than just-as-inexperienced-as-Palin Barack Hussein Obama.[/QUOTE]
Gee, I wonder why you chose to write Obama's middle name. Really, I just can't imagine a reason why you, a Christian and a conservative, would casually inject his very Muslim-sounding middle name into your sentence... Maybe you didn't want us to get him confused with all the other Barack Obamas in the public eye?
Subtle as a fucking shotgun, mate.
Mark Dygert
09-26-2008, 02:58 PM
On fiscal responsibility can we ask Barack Obama how he will pay for $660 billion in new spending? Yes we canCan we ask Barack Obama who's administration took a budget surplus and turned it into a deficit?
Yes we can.
Can we ask Barack Obama who's father said "read my lips no new taxes?" and then raised taxes?
Yes we can.
Can we ask Barack Obama who said "mission accomplished" and then can't seem to explain why we need to spend more money on war that is "over"?
Yes we can.
Can we ask Barack Obama how many years the GOP controlled the white house and the congress and still managed to pass nothing but crimes agaist civil liberties?
Yes we can.
Can we stop posting partisan GOP attack ads in a thread about Governor Palin?
Yes we can.
Jonathan, if your only defense against palin is that her opponent also happens to be inexperienced, you're missing the point here.
For the sake of argument, I'll go ahead and concede that Obama is indeed inexperienced. Again, for the sake of argument, I'll go ahead and say that makes the two of them equal. Palin is a complete fucking idiot. Obama is not a complete fucking idiot. That kind of settles it.
Jonathan
09-26-2008, 03:03 PM
I've never been a fan for defending anything regarding McCain, and the only reason I do so now is I do not want the alternative. I didn't intend on posting in this thread, as those opposite my political views have already plowed through a whole field full of straw men, so it didn't seem helpful to reply, until asked.
low odor
09-26-2008, 03:04 PM
Palin is a twit. she has all the personality of a loaf of bread
sonic
09-26-2008, 03:05 PM
Dammit. I was hoping her entire boob would fall out of her shirt since you said it was better than a nip slip.
Instead of seeing a boob I saw an interview with what appears to be some kind of insane ultra conservative with sense of morals that also has no idea about how the world works.
Palin is a twit. she has all the personality of a loaf of bread
I don't care much for USA politics, but this made me laugh!
t4paN
09-26-2008, 03:58 PM
basically,
she's a soccer mom.
WE ARE ELECTING A FUCKING SOCCER MOM!
Like Matt Damon said, it's like a bad Disney movie.
rooster
09-26-2008, 04:04 PM
PERHAPS YOU CAN fOOL THE SYSTEM??
GET THE BAD GUYS
PixelGoat
09-26-2008, 04:05 PM
Subtle as a fucking shotgun, mate.
HAHAHA that made me laugh!
Rob Galanakis
09-26-2008, 04:28 PM
I've never been a fan for defending anything regarding McCain, and the only reason I do so now is I do not want the alternative. I didn't intend on posting in this thread, as those opposite my political views have already plowed through a whole field full of straw men, so
So you are aware what you are doing is entirely nonconstructive towards political discourse and merely attempts to move the conversation off-topic?
it didn't seem helpful to reply, until asked.
Your reply was another straw man. It still wasn't a helpful reply.
Anyway... watching this over and over last night didn't really make me laugh... first it made me feel bad for this woman that is obviously not ready for this job, and then it scared, no, terrified, me that she could potentially even be near the person running the country.
Joshua Stubbles
09-26-2008, 04:33 PM
ouch.
ElysiumGX
09-26-2008, 05:05 PM
I love the effort you put into your responses.
I'm your huckleberry.
You're first video shows a Senator and Obama supporter unable to list Obama's "Acheivements" in the Senate during a tough interview. There are a lot of people in the Senate (100). They all work together as a whole to debate on many issues. Do you expect one of them to have, in mind at any given time, a complete record of one man's efforts? Here's a test. Tell me, without any outside help, did you see a movie in theaters in the month of July in 2005? What movie was it? Did you see it with a friend? Would he remember? If you want to know Obama's accomplishments...do as any intelligent person would and read them for yourself.
As a member of the Democratic minority in the 109th Congress, he helped create legislation to control conventional weapons and to promote greater public accountability in the use of federal funds. He also made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. During the 110th Congress, he helped create legislation regarding lobbying and electoral fraud, climate change, nuclear terrorism, and care for returned U.S. military personnel. After announcing his presidential campaign in February 2007, Obama emphasized withdrawing American troops from Iraq, energy independence, decreasing the influence of lobbyists, and promoting universal health care as top national priorities.
Your second video. Obama admits he wouldn't be fully prepared for the job as President. In the current political climate, who would be? What sane person would admit it? It's generally said that the most qualified don't run for President. Prior to Obama's run for candidacy, he was viewed as a nice and intelligent guy. I liked him a long time ago, when everyone knew him only for his name, which is close to Osama. Magazines interviewed him, and you can see that he was a down to earth, well spoken, intelligent human being, in US politics. When it was first rumored that he was persuaded to run for President, I was very excited. And as the race for Presidency is shaping him to be a puppet for his party, as both parties do, I know what he aims to do.
You, obviously being a vocal right-wing christian, should know something about the word Humility. I would rather a man with humility, but courage to do his job, be President, than anyone with Pride and the driving force to do God's will at the blink of an eye. So how does one's modesty to take office make him inexperienced? And how does that place him below those who obviously have no "Acheivements", or say whatever gives them the advantage, or evidently have no clue what they're talking about? Babbling through the tough questions, with a response that actually frightens many. Bush had experience...or people believed he did. But he didn't do his job, in fact, did the opposite. Why? God. Yay! The sheep who put him there followed along. And refused to admit any mistakes.
What has Palin acheived? NO! WHAT HAS SHE ACHEIVED!?!?!
-Lots of spending.
-The start of a gas pipeline from Alaska, to the US...without consulting those it would affect.
-Found herself under investigation, and with her chosen as a VP candidate, refuses to cooperate.
-Failed geography.
In conclusion...
Theres a big difference between being inexperienced, and being a blatant fucking moron.
Spell checked and QFT.
I'll repeat from the hacking thread, that Palin is simply another distraction from important topics.
Joshua Stubbles
09-26-2008, 05:25 PM
word.
ElysiumGX
09-26-2008, 05:51 PM
skidoosh... http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1831461
Kevin Johnstone
09-26-2008, 05:57 PM
Obviously... this thread isn't going to end well but my respect for Elysium has gone up
as he's the only one that's taken the time to rationally follow through on his opinions
and state the logic behind his thoughts in way that makes enough sense that it might
make another change their point of view.
Jonathan
09-26-2008, 05:58 PM
So you are aware what you are doing is entirely nonconstructive towards political discourse and merely attempts to move the conversation off-topic?
Your reply was another straw man. It still wasn't a helpful reply.
Anyway... watching this over and over last night didn't really make me laugh... first it made me feel bad for this woman that is obviously not ready for this job, and then it scared, no, terrified, me that she could potentially even be near the person running the country.
Is this thread meant to seek truth in politics, or only drinking the cool-aid for one's personal views? My goal is to, once again, point out the inconsistency in your [now-apparent] hate of Mrs. Palin.
I'll put in some effort.
You're first video shows a Senator and Obama supporter unable to list Obama's "Acheivements" in the Senate during a tough interview. There are a lot of people in the Senate (100). They all work together as a whole to debate on many issues. Do you expect one of them to have, in mind at any given time, a complete record of one man's efforts? Here's a test. Tell me, without any outside help, did you see a movie in theaters in the month of July in 2005? What movie was it? Did you see it with a friend? Would he remember? If you want to know Obama's accomplishments...do as any intelligent person would and read them for yourself.
(1) I am not campaigning for movie theaters. Hopefully you see the non sequitur reasoning that would compare one's entertainment to a potential Commander in Chief.
(2) The reason the question was asked is because no one knows about his "achievements" because they do not exist. Obama has said many things about what he "WILL" do, but alas, we have never see him do anything worthwhile. I guess when you're green behind the ears, have been in the Senate for what, 1-2 years (?), then you don't have all that much time to "bring change" to the US. What does the US really need? It needs the government to become a slug when it comes to our lives and become lightning fast when it comes to matters of national security, whether that be the border, or potential attacks against us.
Your second video. Obama admits he wouldn't be fully prepared for the job as President. In the current political climate, who would be? What sane person would admit it? It's generally said that the most qualified don't run for President. Prior to Obama's run for candidacy, he was viewed as a nice and intelligent guy. I liked him a long time ago, when everyone knew him only for his name, which is close to Osama. Magazines interviewed him, and you can see that he was a down to earth, well spoken, intelligent human being, in US politics. When it was first rumored that he was persuaded to run for President, I was very excited. And as the race for Presidency is shaping him to be a puppet for his party...I know who he really is. He is a man with humility.
Obama wasn't going into an emo-driven "Who could lead this troubled nation" diatribe. He was expressing his view that he wasn't ready to be President. I guess even when he himself declares that he isn't ready to become Commander in Chief, it isn't enough for some.
You, obviously being a vocal right-wing christian, should know something about the word Humility. I would rather a man with humility, but courage to do his job, be President, than anyone with Pride and the driving force to do God's will at the blink of an eye. So how does one's modesty to take office make him inexperienced? And how does that place him below those who obviously have no "Acheivements", or say whatever gives them the advantage, or evidently have no clue what they're talking about? Babbling through the tough questions, with a response that actually frightens many. Bush had experience...or people believed he did. But he didn't do his job, in fact, did the opposite. Why? God. Yay! The sheep who put him there followed along. And refused to admit any mistakes.
I guess Bill Clinton did much better, letting Osama Bin Laden off the hook, making a mockery of the Oval Office. Sure, he had it "so rough" with oil at $7/barrel. Bush "only had" to deal with the first major terrorist attack on the US (9/11), the outcome of years of de-regulation in money-backed securities, the outcome of not having built a refinery since 1976, etc. I voted for Bush in '04 and would do so again if I had to, as we'd be worse off had Al Gore or John Kerry become President. I don't think Obama is "humble" when he says people "cling to guns and religion," his wife says now is the first time she's been proud of the US, mocks American's while in another country (as if they're going to be voting in this election?), etc. If you think Obama or any other politician practices bone fide humility then you're unfortunately unaware what true humility is. It used to be men went to serve the country as a public servant, now it has turned into a business for the majority of politicians and what "legacy" they want to leave behind.
Bush has failed on a number of issues, but again, pretty much every time I vote, it isn't voting for the person "I believe in," it is rather voting for the lesser of two evils, unfortunately.
What has Palin acheived? NO! WHAT HAS SHE ACHEIVED!?!?!
-Lots of spending.
-The start of a gas pipeline from Alaska, to the US...without consulting those it would affect.
-Found herself under investigation, and with her chosen as a VP candidate, refuses to cooperate.
-Failed geography.
-So she's "under investigation" for dismissing a man who tasered a 14 year-old kid, threatened the President, among other things. He was the personification of insubordination and she had the authority to remove him from his position. I guess, however, if all you do is mock what the lady says, you have no time to actually hear from her own mouth who she is.
-Become mayor, then become Governor of Alaska, fighting against crooked Republicans and Democrats, etc.. I guess she's already ahead of Obama, eh?
Joao Sapiro
09-26-2008, 06:02 PM
dude wtf...
Rob Galanakis
09-26-2008, 07:53 PM
Obviously... this thread isn't going to end well but my respect for Elysium has gone up
as he's the only one that's taken the time to rationally follow through on his opinions
and state the logic behind his thoughts in way that makes enough sense that it might
make another change their point of view.
That's because we've all spent ample characters responding to, I mean plowing through, his straw men in previous threads. It is becoming hopeless... if someone else wants to approach this with an open head I'm sure they'll be met with level answers.
Is this thread meant to seek truth in politics, or only drinking the cool-aid for one's personal views? My goal is to, once again, point out the inconsistency in your [now-apparent] hate of Mrs. Palin.
You've pointed out no inconsistency. We've responded to your points over and over and over again, your so called pointing out of inconsistency. As you yourself stated, you are just supplying straw men- I'm sorry Elysium called you into this thread but you sure have done nothing to demonstrate you are nothing but a troll, your latest post included. You've already said who you vote for (Republican no matter what), why you are voting for them (religion and social views), and after admitting you dislike McCain in a previous thread but like Palin, have absolutely no defense for her abysmal answers in the Couric interview- and instead engage in more straw men. It is time to open your eyes or close your mouth (or stop typing, as things may be).
And to give you something to do, compare Palin's performance with the quite fair Couric to Obama's performance a couple weeks ago in an O'Reilly interview. Obama almost turned O'Reilly into a likeable guy.
(edit: There are 4 parts, watch em all)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJH2n4aFEhA
And remember, after watching the debate, Obama is supposed to be the one on the ticket weak in foreign policy. I know you watched it so I hope you'll engage Obama in the future with some substance.
ElysiumGX
09-26-2008, 07:54 PM
Fair enough. I'm going to hold off spending any more time discussing Palin (it's time wasted) until after the VP Debates on Oct. 2. It should be enlightening. Palin's role is only an importance when considering McCain's age. Dick Cheney shot a man in the face.
Jonathan
09-26-2008, 08:10 PM
Rob,
Where did I say I'm a Republican no matter what? (strawman) Were there a Democratic nominee with more social conservative views than the Republican, I'd vote for the Democrat, political views aside, as social issues come before politics IMO.
And no, I am not a troll. Calling her interview "better than a nip slip" is a lot more trollish than me responding to a thread on some internet forum.
Either way, let's see how the future debates go. I enjoyed the debate tonight and look forward to the future ones. As for the O'Reilly factor, work was quite hectic when those were on, so I did not catch all of them, but I did watch a large portion of it, and was quite intrigued at how O'Reilly was rather restrained and seemingly quite fair from what I saw.
Rob Galanakis
09-26-2008, 08:21 PM
Were there a Democratic nominee with more social conservative views than the Republican, I'd vote for the Democrat, political views aside, as social issues come before politics IMO.
Have you ever read "What's the matter with Kansas" (if not, the Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What%27s_the_Matter_with_Kansas%3F) page has some useful info and good links at the bottom)? Republicans have been in control of the Executive for 20 of the last 28 years. They've controlled both houses of the Legislature, and the Executive, since 2002. They're not going to 'solve' any of the social issues you feel so strongly about.
Xenobond
09-26-2008, 08:26 PM
Crap! I just remembered my wife and I haven't registered to vote in the state of Virginia, yet. Doh!
Gonna get that done on Monday.
Interesting views guys. Maybe if the text could scream louder someone's opinion might actually change. ._.
Marcus Dublin
09-26-2008, 10:13 PM
She's going to get "slaughtered" in the vice presidential debates, can you say "Must see TV"!
ElysiumGX
09-27-2008, 06:33 AM
I'm going to watch it in crystal clear 1080i. Should be action packed. Mmm popcorn.
Jesse Moody
09-27-2008, 11:42 AM
WTF.... Some of you guys get way too carried away. I mean seriously. This thread was dedicated to how amazingly dumb this woman in her position sounds.
Let's stay on topic ok.
Palin sounds like a woman that is in way over her head. Simple as that. Hell I have seen more of the world and been more places then she has. I have had to deal with more foreign relations issues. Can I be vice president?
stimpack
09-27-2008, 12:04 PM
I vote jesse moody vp!!!
really tho, we all know, and its no secret. This dumb broad was put on the ballet to grab all the people that wanted hillary as prez. They just trying to soak up the extra votes, they dont give a shit about america or what it needs.
TomDunne
09-27-2008, 01:39 PM
-So she's "under investigation" for dismissing a man who tasered a 14 year-old kid, threatened the President, among other things. He was the personification of insubordination and she had the authority to remove him from his position.
You have this wrong. She did NOT have authority to remove the state trooper, also her former brother-in-law, from his position. She's under investigation for firing Walt Monegan, the Alaska Commissioner of Public Safety. It is claimed that Palin fired Monegan because he wouldn't give in to her pressure to fire the ex brother-in-law. Which, if true, is an abuse of power and illegal.
sonic
10-01-2008, 07:44 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRkWebP2Q0Y
She can't even name a newspaper she reads. Awesome!
demoncage
10-01-2008, 10:16 AM
I WILL wake up from this, I just know it.
spyrewolf
10-01-2008, 11:00 AM
why doesn't she just stop trying to justify "I can't remember the names of the papers" or I get my new from the Internets
..why try justify yourself, she just makes herself look dumber, just be straight up lady!
Jeremy Wright
10-01-2008, 11:23 AM
why doesn't she just stop trying to justify "I can't remember the names of the papers" or I get my new from the Internets
..why try justify yourself, she just makes herself look dumber, just be straight up lady!
My guess? She's just fucking lying. Who in the fuck doesn't know what magazines/papers they read? Maybe she can't read.
aesir
10-01-2008, 01:14 PM
My guess? She's just fucking lying. Who in the fuck doesn't know what magazines/papers they read? Maybe she can't read.
seriously, even if I was really nervous cause I was on TV, it's not something you have to think hard about.
JohnnyRaptor
10-01-2008, 01:28 PM
shit i wish there was a way to see the palin vs biden live!
rooster
10-01-2008, 01:32 PM
http://interviewpalin.com/
Zcubed
10-01-2008, 05:42 PM
Debate's going to be happening right outside. Someone send me a Greentooth shirt ;).
Joshua Stubbles
10-01-2008, 05:50 PM
http://interviewpalin.com/
omg sad winsauce
Justin Meisse
10-01-2008, 06:59 PM
The Truth About Sarah Palin (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/23140513/the_truth_about_sarah_pa
)
"THE MYTH: "I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending." — Sarah Palin, convention speech
THE FACTS: As governor, sought travel reimbursement for 312 nights she spent in her own home."
hawken
10-01-2008, 07:49 PM
This is one dumb bitch
She'll get elected for sure, bring on WWIII
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